Wow, that was fast! Thanks for finding that reference, but I REALLY need to go to bed! -Mark
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alexander Hollins Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light I stand corrected. http://arxiv.org/abs/1109.4897 On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint <[email protected]> wrote: > I've been looking around at the CERN website and cannot find any mention of > the experiment... so far. > > Can you friend provide us with the Abstract of the publication where he > claims it specifically says the neutrino beam traveled thru the atmosphere? > > The Yahoo.com article from your link says nothing about the atmosphere, or > what the neutrino beam traveled thru, whereas the article at physorg.com > specifically says the beam traveled 'underground'. This makes sense since > the particle accelerator where the beam originates is very likely below > ground, and the neutrino detector almost surely MUST be underground to > reduce stray neutrinos as much as possible. All major neutrino detector > experiments that I've read about place the detector WAY underground... one > used an old mine-shaft. > > -Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alexander > Hollins > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:04 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than > light > > http://news.yahoo.com/cern-claims-faster-light-particle-measured-180644818.h > tml > > I dont have the good link, but a friend of mine with access to several > journals verified, faster than light IN ATMOSPHERE (which is where > they beamed the neutrinos. through the atmosphere). Its mildly > interesting (neutrinos dont interact with the atmosphere) but it ISNT > big news, some reporter who thought they knew what they were talking > about heard about it and blew it out of proportion. > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11-09-22 06:32 PM, Alexander Hollins wrote: >> >> Note, Faster in ATMOSPHERE than light travels in ATMOSPHERE. not faster > than >> C. >> >> Say what?? But that would be, like, totally ordinary -- electrons do it > all >> the time. That's where Cherenkov radiation comes from. >> >> It's also not what the article says. It says: >> >> "But neutrinos have now been observed smashing past this cosmic speed >> barrier of 186,282 miles per second" >> >> That is very clear. The only "cosmic speed barrier" is C itself. >> Furthermore, the speed of light in air is about 186,226 miles per second, >> not 186,282 miles per second, which is the speed value the article says > the >> neutrinos exceeded. >> >> So, either the article is wrong, or the observation really was of > neutrinos >> going faster than C. >> >> >> > >
