Joe: Is that the way to rebut someone who has only questioned some of your reasoning regarding the heat storage capacity of the E-Cat? Your rebuttal is to claim they know nothing about the E-Cat and dismiss their points with no facts or explanation! Then you go on continuing to claim that all your conclusions are right... hmmm, that sounds a bit, dare I say, narsissistic. Welcome to the club! :-)
"Rothwell has not been able to substantiate his position which seems to be a blind acceptance of CF before anyone heard of Rossi." What the F* does Jed's strong opinions on CF have to do with my questions to you??? 1) My reasoning has nothing to do with Rothwell or anything other than your insistence that the E-Cat's performance can be entirely explained by heat storage by the "massive amounts of metal" in the E-Cat and the band heater being 900C. 2) You say, "I never made the claims you say I made." There are only two quotes which I attribute to you: > "80kgs of metal can easily store over 40MJ. It's not on the level of a > discussion. My arguments have been extremely convincing as I think you > can tell by the recent conversion of vortex members and Krivit." And, > "The band heater temp is ~900C. In September test my calculations show > that boiling could be produced for many hours. There is certainly a > massive amount of metal in the e-cat." Well, I just saved the webpage at TheEEStory.com where I COPIED these quotes from... I would be happy to email it to you. I'd attach the JPEG of the screen capture I made but it's too big and the vortex-l server will not allow the posting. I suppose that someone could have hacked into the EEStory.com website and changed the wording on your forum postings... but who would bother, if it's even possible. Finally, you resort to attacking and threatening me... "You seem to confuse your total ignorance with lack of merit. You will regret that." Bring it on Joe... Having been in several small to medium sized startups, and on the Board of Directors for two of them, I've been threatened numerous times with jail and lawsuits and other nasty and unpleasant things. What would really be nice is for you to simply answer my question from the original posting, and I'll repeat it here: > So your reasoning is based on the band heater being 900C, and therefore > the majority of the massive amount of metal in the E-Cat is at or near > that same temperature. You sincerely think that everything underneath > the insulation is anywhere near that temp? > > Being that the only mass that could possibly be anywhere near 900C is the > reactor core container, which might be a few kilograms, would you care to > revise your "... not on the level of a discussion" heat storage estimate??? Well, I guess there are two questions in that... Clearly, these are NOT statements attributed to you, but legitimate, reasonable QUESTIONS to you. All I expect is for you to clear up your reasoning regarding HOW MUCH of all that massive metal is at the very high temperatures that you constantly use in your examples to prove that metal can store megajoules of heat! -Mark -----Original Message----- From: Joe Catania [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 12:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Vo]:Look at the BIG PICTURE and you will see this is irrefutable proof Since you know nothing of the e-cat your remarks have been dismissed. Yes it was provable in the September e-cat that the effects were purely based on thermal inertia. I suspect the same here. Rothwell has not been able to substantiate his position which seems to be a blind acceptance of CF before anyone heard of Rossi. I never made the claims you say I made. Yes there has been conversion and elaborate journalism on this point. You seem to confuse your total ignorance with lack of merit. You will regret that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 3:44 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Look at the BIG PICTURE and you will see this is irrefutable proof > From one narcissist to another... > > Seems ol Joe thinks he's converted the lot of us... > > http://www.theeestory.com/users/1681/posts# > > "80kgs of metal can easily store over 40MJ. It's not on the level of a > discussion. My arguments have been extremely convincing as I think you can > tell by the recent conversion of vortex members and Krivit." > > Joe Catania states, > "The band heater temp is ~900C. In September test my calculations show > that > boiling could be produced for many hours. There is certainly a massive > amount of metal in the e-cat." > > Joe: > So your reasoning is based on the band heater being 900C, and therefore > the > majority of the massive amount of metal in the E-Cat is at or near that > same > temperature. You sincerely think that everything underneath the insulation > is anywhere near that temp? The melting point of lead is 327C, so we > certainly know that the lead is no more than one-third 900C, or else we'd > have a mass of molten lead on the table. > > In addition, with the irregularity of the shape of the "plumbing", at > least > with the old, tubular design, it is unlikely that there is much physical > contact between the lead shielding and the "plumbing" (water jacket), > ergo, > poor heat conduction between the plumbing and the lead, ergo, not much > heat > storage in the lead. > > Finally, the only thing that could be anywhere near 900C is the (stainless > steel) core container that is the transfer medium between the reaction > material (Ni-powder-hydrogen-catalyst) and the water outside the core > container. > > Conclusion: > Being that the only mass that could possibly be anywhere near 900C is the > reactor core container, which might be a few kilograms, would you care to > revise your "... not on the level of a discussion" heat storage > estimate??? > > -Mark >
