you know peter,since youre always so negative about rossi and now you say theres no customer, i#m going to be overtly positive and guess its Apple. i hope these two messages cancel eachother out. On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Peter Gluck <peter.gl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> At such a great scale "The Oct. 28 Test" is a contradiction > in terms- it has to be at least "the 3 days test starting on Oct. 28" > No company having elementary idea of engineering would accept a short test > for such a Behemoth, there are necessary hours to make all the 52 Fat-Cats > functional, then > they work or not work 3-4 hours and it is over.. Who can accept such a > test? Why? > > This Partner has not helped Rossi who was forced to sell his house in order > to continue. > > The most probable is that the test will be done by the inventor's people > from his US company and by some > specialists hired by Ampenergo- i.e. NO real partner exists. > The identity of the experimenters will not be revealed probably and we will > receive results from Rossi, as he wish. We will see no instruments and no > steam commensurate with 1 MW heat. > My bet is NO REAL CUSTOMER. > > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I have no idea who this customer might be. I do not like to guess, >> speculate or read the tea leaves when I have no information, but I believe >> it is unlikely that a major corporation is involved. I say this for the >> following reasons: >> >> Several large corporations and institutions such as Georgia Tech have >> contacted me about this test. They say it would be unwise to test such a >> large reactor without first doing a series of small-scale tests at lower >> power levels. Jumping up to high level without first doing these tests would >> be dangerous. They are baffled by this plan. I have echoed their remarks >> here. So I do not think they would countenance such a large increase. >> >> I asked Rossi whether he has a permit to do this test. He did not respond. >> I do not know whether he has one or not, but it seems unlikely to me. I >> simply cannot imagine that any sane government official would issue one. I >> hate to speculate about these things but that seems impossible. Large >> corporations are sticklers for the rules. They *write* the rules, in >> cooperation with government regulators. I doubt they would get involved in a >> test of a large nuclear reactor that is probably an egregious criminal >> violation of health and safety standards. I do not know about Europe but in >> the US or Japan this would cause a major scandal, with people being arrested >> and perp-walked in front of reporters. This is not something GE or >> Mitsubishi would let themselves get involved in, ever, under any >> circumstances. >> >> If a subordinate at GE were to suggest getting involved, I suppose >> management would demand a copy of the permits and certifications for the >> reactor as the first step. They would demand technical documents showing >> that the reactor was designed by a professional engineering firm that >> specializes in pressure vessels. They would want to see computer simulations >> of pressure and heat conditions, and certificates showing that the welding >> was done by certified experts. I sure as heck would. Testing a laboratory >> scale device is one thing; industrial equipment is quite another. A machine >> of this size and power is dangerous, even when it is designed with the best >> modern computers and simulations, and when it is fabricated by experts and >> then carefully examined by an inspector. A conventional combustion reactor >> of this size is dangerous. If a hose connection fails, the hose may fly off >> with enough force to crush someone's skull, and the steam may scald them to >> death. This is not a damned toy, or something you casually turn on after a >> few weeks of partial testing. >> >> The test on October 6 clearly did not involve any professional engineering >> or instrumentation such as a corporation would bring. Terry Blanton remarked >> that a corporation would use large, professional grade instruments with >> recent NIST certification stickers. You can recognize this kind of thing. I >> did not see any. They did not even have a computer or flow meters for some >> of the critical data. To be blunt, the October 6 test was so half-assed, the >> students at my local high school could have done a better job. (Granted >> several of those kids got into MIT and Georgia Tech.) I find it hard to >> believe that a major corporation would jump into this project and be >> prepared for a 1 MW test three weeks after the test that produced somewhere >> between six and 10 kW but you can't tell because the instruments were so >> bad. >> >> Videos and photographs of the equipment outdoors to not show any sign of >> professional instrumentation being deployed around it. Again, I do not think >> that a professional organization would jump in and be prepared to do a major >> test with the outside equipment in three weeks. >> >> - Jed >> >> > > > -- > Dr. Peter Gluck > Cluj, Romania > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com > >
