You are correct Fran, I am confused about the hydrino theory. I think I
understand that you imply that the hydrino can not exist outside of the
nanotube structure. If this is true then it would not be possible to extract
energy from the beast. Whatever you borrowed must be returned very soon. At
least that is the way I understand thermodynamics. Does that theory actually
allow energy to be taken from the vacuum? If so, I would like to understand
that a lot better. Also, has anyone been able to extract energy this way and
then do it again with the same hydrogen atom? I have a difficult time
understanding that principle.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 3:22 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg
Dave,
I think you have an underlying misconception. It isn’t thermal
energy that is being exploited, catalytic energy is related to Casimir geometry
which in the case of nanotubes only occurs at openings and defects in the
nanotube as recently discovered by Peng Chen at Cornell using an AFM. This
establishes a relationship between catalytic action and change in Casimir force
– geometry. It is a difference in vacuum energy density not temperature that
feeds the reaction so you are not exhausting a thermal reservoir. IMHO this is
why gas is a necessary part of the equation since relative mot ion of gas to
the Casimir geometry is maintained by HUP. This is the same source of energy
that keeps gas from becoming solid at absolute zero.. hence can be referred to
as Zero Point Energy. The similarity between skeletal catalysts and the Casimir
geometry of nano powders also supports this relationship.
Within the context of the above relationship there can be no
hydrino without Casimir geometry, as the hydrino or IRH diffuses out of the
catalyst or nano powder it simply translates back to normal hydrogen. There
would therefore be no hydrinos floating freely in the atmosphere and it
remains an open question if di-hydrinos are even possible much less if their
covalent bond could hold the hydrino in this catalyzed state outside of the
catalyst. If Jan Naudts is correct about the hydrino / IRH being relativistic
then one could say the hydrino only exists from a relativistic perspective and
locally appears just like normal hydrogen. Most would say this kind of time
dilation or equivalent acceleration is impossible in the confines of a bulk
material sitting in a lab but we are conditioned to think in terms of a
Pythagorean relationship with C to solve for gamma and I think suppression side
steps this issue. Suppression reduces energy density instead of increasing it
and instead of equivalent acceleration it affords equivalent de-acceleration.
Regards
Fran
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 4:37 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as
fractional Rydberg
Thank you for the response. The hydrino cycle that I am describing, aka heat
pump of some unusual type, would allow energy contained within the thermal&n
bsp;surroundings to do work. I can imagine some of that work being used to
generate radiant energy that could then escape the system. This escaping
energy would cause the local system to cool off. This technique sounds a lot
like a violation of the laws of thermodynamics. I guess that a similar process
occurs when a dust cloud cools down by radiating heat energy. Is there any
way that we can verify that a process exists which will enable the hydrinos to
absorb the hypothetical energy you discussed and emerge as hydrogen again?
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: mixent <mix...@bigpond.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 2, 2011 3:35 pm
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as
fractional Rydberg
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 2 Nov 2011 09:12:47 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
>
>That is the question that I would like to have answered. Would the hydrino be
able to acquire the needed energy from the thermal energy available of the
atmosphere? If not, why have not all of the hydrogen atoms in existence (on
earth) been catalyzed during the eons of time that has been available?
Because in order to be catalyzed, they need to exist as individual atoms,
whereas all the Hydrogen on Earth exists bound in chemical compounds.
Furthermore even when present as an atom, it still needs to c
me across a
catalyst atom too.
>My main purpose for asking the question is to determine if some type of heat
pump could be used where hydrogen is turned into hydrinos releasing heat and
then released. Then I was hoping that they would reacquire the energy from the
thermal environment to be recycled. This sounds like a breech of the second
law, but why not give it a try. :-)
>
>Dave
I don't think so, though perhaps solar x-rays in the upper atmosphere might
reconstitute them.
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
