On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Jed Rothwell <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mary Yugo <[email protected]> wrote: > > It is true that the tests witnessed by E&K were somewhat sloppy. They > could have used better instrumentation. However, E&K are good scientists > and they understand that no experiment is perfect and that these > instruments are good enough to establish an irrefutable claim. As I said, > if they had reached a negative conclusion I am sure you would be shouting > that the instruments were good enough and anyone who disagrees is > nitpicking and cannot see the forest for the trees. > Of course that's not true. If they reached a negative conclusion with sloppy measurements, I'd be delighted to call them on that as well. > Whether this was out of politeness, a desire to have Rossi call them >> again, or a lack of diligence and determination, I don't know. >> > > I am sure it is for the reasons they stated: the test is irrefutable. You > may disagree with that, but please do not assume that E&K are lying, or > they secretly agree with you, or they lack determination, or they are timid > and afraid to ask Rossi to do something. The chairman of a skeptics society > is not usually timid. You should just accept that they mean what they say, > and their views are not your views. > I never said they were lying or that they ... whatever you said I said. I said they were over polite and nowhere near aggressive enough in their questioning of Rossi. That is true of Lewans as well as K&E. IMO of course. > It doesn't matter how qualified they are. They tested the E-cat >> incorrectly-- each and every public time. >> > > So you say, but every expert I have heard from disagrees. You have the > right to your opinion of course, but -- as I said -- please do not tell us > that E&K and the others secretly agree with you, and they are only > pretending to believe what they say. > I didn't say that E&K agree with me. THEY said that more proof is needed. They said it very clearly and unequivocally. Also Krivit's many experts disagreed with E&K and are at least as qualified. > You should get used to the fact that thousands of extremely qualified > people not only believe in cold fusion -- even though you do not. Hundreds > are convinced by Rossi. > I don't see how Rossi convinced anyone of anything with the dog and pony shows he put on and the tangential answers he offers on his blog. > Look here: I am willing to take Robert Park's words at face value. I think > he, the editors at Sci. Am. and other strong opponents sincerely believe > that all cold fusion researchers are lunatics, frauds and criminals, and > the effect was never replicated. Why should anyone doubt they sincerely > mean what they say? I am also sure that you, Cude and others sincerely > believe that all cold fusion results are wrong. > That's nonsense and I've tried as best as I can to disabuse you of it. When I critique Rossi, I am saying nothing whatever about the rest of cold fusion research. When this is over and, as I expect, Rossi will be shown for the fraud I think he is, I will be happy to suggest how cold fusion research can be improved. Hint: I would like to see the boundary/SEC type calorimeter used much more for this type of work. It probably doesn't apply to kilowatts of power like Rossi claims but it does work wonders with lesser amounts. > It seems to me that if I am willing to accept your views at face value, > you should be willing to accept that E&K, Levi and the others sincerely > believe their tests are definitive. Go ahead and say they are wrong, but do > not say they secretly know they are wrong. There is a huge difference. Here > again you insist they have secret doubts: > I suspect Levi is kicking himself constantly. He certainly looks like he is in some recent photos if you note his facial expression. Also in his interview with Krivit in which he did nothing but be defensive and unconvincing. > And for some inexplicable reason, he never repeated it with attention to >> the missing details. I bet he regrets it. Or maybe he asked and Rossi >> told him to go fly a kite. >> > > Wrong on all counts. You should stop speculating about other people's > state of mind. > Forgive me my speculations -- I have to put up with everyone else's!
