Am 03.12.2011 16:20, schrieb Horace Heffner:
I suggest that the dark zone at the tip of the needle is not due to a vacuum there. It is more likely due to the average delay for recombination of the ions and electrons. Electron recombination with ions is likely what produces most of the light.
I believe there is a vacuum for these reasons:

1) I placed a charged needle 1-2 cm above a water surface. The air blow makes a sharp, mm deep and mm wide hole into the water surface. If I assume, that the air stream originates from the needle's tip, wich is measured in µm, the blowing pressure and the repulsion at the needles tip in a µm distance must be 100 to 1000 times stronger. The sudden electrostatic acceleration of electrons and ions must create a vacuum.

This experiment was done with some kV only. I had to turn the voltage down to avoid sparks, because I had only 1 or 2 cm distance to the water.
In pressurized air the voltage can be some 100 kV.

2) The electrostatic repulsion is strong enough to drive the electrons out of the metal. I believe the force required for this must be many times stronger than the air pressure.

A side note:
It is interesting that a positive needle blows and also a negative needle blows. One should expect that a negative needle would attract the nuclei and repel the electrons and should suck instead blow.
This does not happen, both needles blow.

So I think, directly at the needles surface, if it is negatively charged, there should be a vacuum, but not empty, the vacuum must contain a dense electron cloud.

Peter



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