Mary Yugo <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> I realize these developments bother the hell out of you
>>
>
> It only bothers me as an example of the sort of flimsy nonsense people
> make serious decisions on.
>

Yes, I realize that. I did not mean to imply that you or Park fear that
cold fusion may be real. I am sure that thought has never entered your
minds. I meant that it is your nightmare that the whole world will believe
a lie. The whole world will fall for this hoax.



> and other researchers in a gigantic fraud.
>>
>
> I have said nothing whatever about ANY other researcher.
>

Don't be silly. You don't believe any of them. You have made that
abundantly clear. Don't play word games. You have never even hinted that
you believe any report, from any researcher. Heck, you say the papers are
nothing but confusion and nonsense. How can you "believe" that?



> I apologize to everyone who gets it that I have to keep repeating this for
> those who don't.  If you're depending on mind reading to make money, Jed,
> don't give up your day job.    I WANT COLD FUSION/LENR TO SUCCEED.
>

Nonsense. If you had any desire at all to see it succeed, you would take
the time to learn something about it. You, Cude, Park and the rest are
certain it is wrong. You think these is not the slightest chance it is real.



>   It would be a dream and not a nightmare.
>

An impossible dream, according to you. Do not pretend you give any credence
to this research. You contempt for it is obvious.



>   I know and care nothing about Parks.  I'm not him . . .
>

You should at least learn to spell his name, since your views are so alike.



> So please: prove to me that it has.  Rossi, Defkalion, someone.  Show me a
> robust, I'll settle for just 10 watts, of power that is produced
> continuously for weeks or months with no chemical input and *no electrical
> or external thermal input*
>

This is complete bullshit. You are supposedly technically knowledgeable.
You claim to know something about instruments, and calorimetry. Anyone who
knows about these subjects will understand that electrical or external
thermal input can be measured with confidence, and subtracted. In many
experiments output is so much larger than input, there is not the slightest
chance of error.

You are demanding that heat after death (with no input) must last for weeks
or months, when you know that it lasts for hours or days. You are setting
an arbitrary standard beyond what you know to be the actual limits of
the phenomenon. There is no technical justification for this. One hour of
heat after death is just as convincing as one year would be. Both exceed
the limits of chemistry.

You are moving the goalposts -- as every skeptic has done. You are
demanding that cold fusion be something other than what it is. You are
demanding that it should have physical characteristics it does not have.
This is like demanding that hybrid cars get 200 mpg. They don't. Nature is
not arranged to your demands. Take it or leave it.

- Jed

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