On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence <[email protected]>wrote:

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> On 11-12-26 02:57 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
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>> Try responding to a real argument:  if the claim, as Aussie Guy made it,
>> is for a device with a COP of 5 over an input measured in watts, then why
>> not close the loop?  What COP would you need?  10?  100?  what?
>> Defkalion, by the way, claims 35x.
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> As I said elsewhere, it depends on the temperature rise in the cell caused
> by the PF effect.  Depending on how hot the cell operates, a reasonable
> estimate might be a COP of 30 to make it theoretically possible to close
> the loop.  That's based on a guess that the PF effect warms the cell by 10
> degrees C.
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> In practice the requirement to close the loop with a wet CF cell is likely
> to be more stringent than that.
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I understand but, not to drive this into the ground, why is it necessarily
so?   Is there nothing you can do to such a cell to get a higher delta T?
Larger electrodes?  More current?  Less coolant flow?   Obviously I don't
know -- just throwing out some guesses.

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