Transmutations are observed in both Palladium and Nickel based systems.
Excess heat is observed in both Palladium and Nickel based systems. Lack
of radiation is observed in both Palladium and Nickel based systems.
Heat after Death is observed in both Palladium and Nickel based systems.
DDSLA (Different Dog, Same Leg Action).
Maybe zoom out a bit and look at the macro observed effects as from
where I sit, then sure seem to be the same.
AG
On 12/30/2011 12:47 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
OK - I see that you are conflating prior LENR with Rossi. That is easy
to do, but complicates everything.
We are in agreement that LENR is very strange if you try to distill
knowledge from the full range, since it covers too much territory to
make easy generalizations. Deuterium experiments are very different
from hydrogen, and transmutation is common in deuterium. There are
many proved anomalies in either field, but it is too easy to conflate
the two.
But it is a huge mistake to try to justify Ni-H with Pd-D. The two are
very different. Look at the elements as they are seen in reactions: H
compared to D. The mass difference alone is a staggering ratio of
~2:1. Imagine Uranium with an isotope at 170 <g>
Are we in agreement so far?
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*From:* Aussie Guy E-Cat
You must be joking? Right? Jed's archives are full of reports of
transmutations. Even the high school kids reported transmutations. May
I suggest you need to step outside your Standard Model mind set and
actually read what other are reporting? Remember the "Experiment
Rules". There are transmutations occurring, going both ways. Time to
accept the experimental evidence is real even though your
understanding of physics can't explain it. So maybe stop trying to
deny what is happening is not happening. Closing your eyes to the
reality of transmutations will not help you to come to grips with the
experimental evidence.
So lets all say in one voice: *"What is happening is happening. It is
not explainable using current understanding of our world."* At least
then we are ALL on common ground.
AG
On 12/30/2011 12:15 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
> I'm pretty sure you have not followed this thread very closely, or
else you are a bit too trustworthy of Rossi.
>
> What "observed transmutations" are you speaking of? Please do not
say "this is what AR told me". BTW, nickel to copper is NOT an
acceptable answer. There is no such thing as nickel to copper at tens
of kilowatts of excess - without deadly levels of radiation... and,
last time I check AR was still ticking, so to speak. Maybe radiation
poisoning explains a few things.
>
> Jones
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Aussie Guy E-Cat
>
> "Could be an unknown reaction going on here"??? You mean "There is
an unknown reaction going on here". As for salvaging, there is nothing
to salvage. The "experiment rules". Game, Set, Match.
>
> Should I again mention the observed transmutations? Yea I know, they
can't be real as there are no nuclear reactions occurring here, even
those that we may not understand. So what is it a Philosopher's Stone
(ZPE powered per chance?) causing the observed transmutations, if they
are not the result of a nuclear reaction, which you claim is not
happening?
>
> Maybe simpler to admit there are nuclear reactions occurring and you
can't explain them using existing knowledge. That said do you accept
wide ranging transmutations are occurring in FPE devices, even though
you have no idea how they are occurring?
>
>
> AG
>
>
> On 12/30/2011 11:29 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
> >
> > But yes ! we all agree that “experiment rules” and there could be
an unknown reaction going on here which also violates conservation of
charge, in addition to everything else - and my arguments assume
either known reactions or those that have a substantial theoretical basis.
> >
> > BUT … isn’t violating conservation of charge adding yet another
miracle to the one or two you are trying to salvage?
> >
>
