Jed,
you have to admit that it just must be difficult for some people to
believe in Rossi because of the way he behaves (and therefore also
separating the behavior from his claimed inventions as this requires
some abstract and very rational thinking, no harm intended). The fact
that you have insider knowledge is really nice for you (I envy you for
that and I would really like to know more about that :)). However, this
is your information only, therefore it doesn't help the rest of us
because (understandably) you cannot reveal who your sources are and what
they say. Therefore, the rest of the "normal" people is left with Rossis
claims, his behavior as well as the claims from NI, NASA, DGT and of
course people like you etc. And as much as I appreciate statements from
you, the fact that this is the Internet and there are other people with
different "Insider" knowledge (like, e.g., Jones Beene) simply makes it
difficult to trust anything and anyone. Therefore there is not a lot of
things that "we" can hold onto (regarding Rossi its some more or less
conclusive test during the last year as well as the NI press release;
we, e.g., don't know about the independent tests by 3rd parties). And
from all those claims and statements everyone constructs his very own
image, necessarily. This is where the big confusion and noise comes from...
So have a good night (here it is 1:10 AM).
Wolf
Yamali Yamali <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
(who also has the e-mail response parameter wrong) wrote:
Jed Rothwell wrote: "... Rossi has no credibility. ..."
How can you come this far and still believe his e-cats work and he
never faked anything? Haven't we dicussed endlessly how easy that
would be? And yet you seem to believe that a guy without any
credivility had his one honest moment in life just when it came to
what would probably be the greatest breakthroughs in the history
of science? I'm... ahh... puzzled.
Look, this is not complicated. Please, take it one step at a time:
1. Scientific credibility comes when you are independently checked or
independently replicated. It is _never_ a function of your personal
credibility. If it was, no one would believe Robert Stroud (the
"birdman of Alcatraz") -- to take an extreme example -- because he was
an habitual liar and a homicidal maniac. We believe Stroud because
people have read his books, confirmed his observations, and used his
techniques successfully.
2. Rossi has been independently replicated by Defkalion, and his
devices have been carefully checked by many experts.
3. He cannot have "faked" devices checked thousands of miles away from
him at Defkalion.
4. It is not physically possible for him to fake heat that burns
someone. It is not possible for him to conduct 5 kW of electricity
over a thin wire. No one can do that.
You must separate the person from the claim in your mind. The
personality or behavior of the person has no bearing on whether the
claim is true or false. You can only judge the claim by experiment.
Rossi has been independently confirmed by experiment. That's all there
is to it. Discussions of his personality may be interesting but they
CANNOT AFFECT THE VALIDITY OF HIS CLAIM.
Yugo and others say that the experiment was never done except in
Rossi's presence, and he might have used stage magic. That is wrong on
two counts:
1. It has been done repeatedly thousands of miles from him, with
equipment he never touched. He denies the equipment exists!
2. No such stage magic tricks exist, or can exist. It is physically
impossible.
- Jed
