In my opinion the nasty comments directed toward Jojo are not acceptable. His beliefs may be in opposition to most of the members of the group but he is entitled to have them none the less. Surely we can discuss issues such as this without resorting to bad form.
Jojo, it would be better for you to move discussions of that nature to other forums and concentrate your talents toward LENR while posting here. Thanks. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Sun, May 27, 2012 12:35 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR) Why on Earth would you think that I think experiments are unneccesary? I am spending a small fortune right now conducting experiments. And that my friend is more than what you are currently doing or prepared to do. You know, one thing is clear. Your hostility towards me is not stemming from any Cold Fusion experiments I am doing or for any other post I've made, but simply because I indicated I am a believer and I brought up some good points that is causing you a tizzy spell. Jojo ----- Original Message ----- From: James Bowery To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR) No, Jojo has no business in this forum for the simple reason that he thinks experiments are unnecessary to science. Nature magazine, too, decided that experiments were unnecessary when the British editor deferred to the US editor regarding Oriani's replication of cold fusion, and the US editor rejected the paper, because it went against prevailing theory. On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Peter Gluck <peter.gl...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Jojo, I would friendly suggest you to you to stop this discussion from the simple reason that the analogy is not valid. Hot Fusion and Cold Fusion (LENR) are both real and possible, alternative, in a way complementary solutions. Evolution and Intelligent Project are opposites,mutually exclusive- and we (you too) can find hundreds of forums to discuss this subject ad infinitum. I am reading Skeptic Magazine but my good friend G. who is a famous baptist preacher keeps me informed with ID. I think this was the first time this OR/OR dispute was mentioned on this forum. But the analogy will not help. Peter On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: OH my! What is your major malfunction? Are you experiencing major cognitive dissonance? The Darwinian Evolution Religion you've pledge yourself to is not as factual as you thought it was? Did I just hit a central nerve? I thought we were discussing with civility? I guess I just pissed you off too much with facts and logic. OK. Whatever. Jojo PS. Folks, if James' response does not illutrate my point enough, nothing will. Darwinian Evolution is a religion to its adherents. When someone brings up a good point of logic, they experience major cognitive dissonance and react like this. Parks experiences this everytime someone brings up evidence for Cold Fusion. Darwinists experience this when they can not answer a valid criticism of its Darwinian religion. The parallel has been clearly illustrated. My point is proven. ----- Original Message ----- From: James Bowery To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR) OK, so you don't think you need an experiment. Go fuck yourself. On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: I am unsure about your point or what you are asking. What exactly is your discussion point or what exactly is your question? Of course,there are strong inference. For example, if you find the presence of Information in DNA, that is an inference for Intelligent Designer, not Darwinian Evolution based on randon chance mutations. Random processes never create Information, because information is "Order", the exact opposite of Randomness. For instance, the assembling of random letters into a coherent sentence requires the input of an Intelligent being. If your throw a bunch of Scrabble letters on the ground, the following 2 sentences have equal chance of occuring. "There is a God" "ethresi da Go" - (No, this is not a foreign language. This is a random mixture of the same letters above.) What is the difference between the 2 sentences above. Nothing as far as randon chance is concerned. Yet for an Intelligent Entity, there is a huge difference. What differentiates the 2 sentences? It is Information of course. There is information in the first sentence that conveys an idea? And Ideas are the purvue of Intelligent Beings. Now, do this with 4 letters and create a sentence 600,000 letters long; you might begin to understand the complexity and the remarkable presence of Information in our DNA. Jojo ----- Original Message ----- From: James Bowery To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR) No. I'm talking about the scientific technique of strong inference. In strong inference you are not simply testing a hypothesis. You are admitting multiple hypotheses in the formulation of your experiments and attempting to most economically compare them. It is legitimate, of course, to have any number of experiments to achieve this comparison. In this case, there are two hypotheses: Darwinian Evolution and Intelligent Design. On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:27 AM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: Distinguish what from what? Are you asking if there are experiments in Darwinian Evolution and experiments in Intelligent Design? ----- Original Message ----- From: James Bowery To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR) Jojo, Where is the controlled experiment that distinguishes between the two? There are LOTS of controlled experiments demonstrating cold fusion. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
