The repulsive force that Mr. Larson talks about might actually have a logical 
derivation.  I have been trying to understand the reason for the expansion of 
the universe for a long time and one very interesting possibility seems to 
arise that the vortex might wish to give some thought.

In my model, I begin by assuming that the initial universe is 'loaded' with a 
slightly non uniform distribution of hydrogen throughout.  The gravitational 
energy of the original distribution can be calculated based upon each small 
volume of mass in space being attracted to all the others according to the 
usual inverse square law.   As a dense region tends to condense into a larger 
mass collection, obviously the gravitational strength within it rapidly 
increases and  more adjacent material collects into the growing region.  An 
interesting thing happens as the material for the large mass is extracted from 
the initial near uniform distribution.  The inverse square law acts strongly 
toward the collection of dense material forming the new bodies pulling them 
ever tighter together to form the galaxies that we see today.  At the same 
time, the material that is outside of the main reach of the galaxy fields finds 
that it is no longer attracted in the direction of the denser galaxy regions as 
strongly as it is in the opposite directions.

All of this behavior is due to the effects of attraction caused by the 
nonlinear inverse square law.  The material outside of the galaxies thus 
appears to be repelled ever faster and stronger as the distance increases.  I 
have long wondered if this effect is the root for the expansion of the 
universe.   Instead of being some form of negative energy, maybe it is just the 
reduction in the gravitational energy present within the original mass 
distribution.

A simple linear model was constructed where I placed uniform masses along a 
straight line.  Each was attracted to all of the others by an inverse square 
law and a perfect balance was initially obtained in forces as would be 
expected.  This distribution represented the uniform matter within the universe 
before gravity began to pull things apart.  Then, I moved different numbers of 
the masses toward a center one and recalculated the resultant forces operating 
among them.

In my model, the masses outside the original grouping are pulled in a direction 
away from the center.  To an observer located on the central mass collection, 
these masses would be moving away similar to the the Hubble effect.  The masses 
within the central region are attracted together according to the usual laws.

It certainly would be advantageous if the expansion of the universe were due to 
normal gravitational effects instead of some unseen negative energy.  I think 
of it as a reduction in a positive energy field instead of a new negative 
energy field.  I suspect that the total universal behavior would be similar.

Give my 'out of the box' thought some consideration.  The concept is new to me, 
but may have already been rejected by more in dept study within the scientific 
circles.

Dave





-----Original Message-----
From: Jones Beene <[email protected]>
To: vortex-l <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 9:57 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Milky Way and Andromeda collision


Hoyt,
Interesting. I am glad you remind us of Dewey Larson's physics. It is
omewhat ironic that Larson is “too far out there”… even for those of us who
re already on the "fringes" of mainstream physics. 
The “45.6 nm” dimension should be amenable to some kind of proof, if it is
ccurate… something like a MEMS or AFM cantilever should show a gravity
nomaly. Has this been done?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_force_microscopy
If there was one shred of proof for something so earth-shaking as this, it
ould make all the difference. Larson is one of those thinkers (like R.
oot) who are compelling on some details of a broad theory … but in the end
re too far removed from the mainstream, at least presently, to justify
iving full consideration (unless you have tenure). Nevertheless, it is not
asy to write-off his ideas, and who knows that parts of it could appear in
he next "standard model"...

----Original Message-----
rom: Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. 
In Dewey Larson's Reciprocal system of physics there is an effective ~15
emtoG repulsive acceleration throughout the universe ( it's a fundamental
roperty of the universe ).  Gravity acts against this, so when the
ravitational pull of star at some distance away reaches 15 fG, the stars
epel instead of attract ( The gravitational limit ). That's on the order of
 light years away for out sun, so stars generally won't get closer than
hat ( to simplify ).
http://www.reciprocalsystem.com/rs/cwkvk/gravlim.htm
ttp://www.reciprocalsystem.com/rs/satz/cluster.htm
( Also, below unit distance, 45.6 nm, gravity repels and the "expansion" of
he universe attracts! That accounts for chemical bonding and may also
ccount for the Casimir force. ).
Hoyt Stearns
cottsdale, Arizona US

----Original Message-----
rom: Jones Beene [mailto:[email protected]]
ent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 6:11 PM
o: [email protected]
ubject: RE: [Vo]:Milky Way and Andromeda collision

ost of the comments thus far assume that both galaxies are composed of
ormal matter and have no prior "history" together. NASA has no way of
nowing this, nor do they know other relevant details - like the 'type' of
atter. 
One simply cannot discuss this subject intelligently without reference to
he disputed work of R. Foot, who is kind of the R. Crumb of cosmology.
http://arxiv.org/find/astro-ph/1/au:+Foot_R/0/1/0/all/0/1
...


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