It looks like they are hitting a dead end like Black Light... 2012/6/14 Akira Shirakawa <[email protected]>
> On 2012-06-13 23:00, Akira Shirakawa wrote: > >> Hello Group, >> > > I asked Roy Virgilio to provide some clarifications on certain passages of > his previous forum post, managing to obtain some more information. I will > translate his new message below (thanks again Google Translate): > > http://www.energeticambiente.**it/sistemi-idrogeno-nikel/** > 14742857-novit%C3%A0-cella-**piantelli-7.html#post119337343<http://www.energeticambiente.it/sistemi-idrogeno-nikel/14742857-novit%C3%A0-cella-piantelli-7.html#post119337343> > > Here I see there's need to clarify a point. Piantelli NOT HAVE A READY >> PRODUCT yet. He does not have a box to sell. He is not Rossi. Please change >> your point of view. >> The fundraising is done to finance the CONSTRUCTION of the prototype. We >> are in the RESEARCH phase. We do not sell anything. >> >> This is about betting, risking. >> Metalenergy, a subsidiary of Nichenergy (a company directly created by >> Piantelli and and a few other close associates), is the company which has >> the European exclusive for the sale of FUTURE generators between 101 watts >> and 7 kW. Or sale of licenses. >> >> Nichenergy is only the company, closed to everybody, which manages the >> laboratory and the development of the [Ni-H] discovery. It does the >> research. >> Once this research will have borne fruit, the enjoyment of these will >> come through Metalenergy. Who is in Metalenergy will at that point enjoy >> direct earnings and the royalties derived from the sale of products >> throughout Europe. >> >> CURRENTLY who enters Metalenergy, actually finances Nichenergy, allowing >> it to complete the research and development. >> >> To summarize, the fundraiser we're going to open soon will be to fund the >> research and development of a prototype, and if all goes well, only then it >> will be possible to see the results deriving from the sale of products that >> DEPEND on research today. >> >> So, who wants to put some money on this, will have to consider it almost >> as a donation or, more realistically, as a medium / high risk investment. >> But there is this to consider: the association will purchase a share of >> Metalenergy worth today, say, 100000 euros. >> This share in a few months or a year (as the work progresses and the goal >> becomes closer) could be worth say 200000, because in the meantime the risk >> that the work ends up with nothing will have decreased drastically. >> >> So who will come at a later time, risking less, will have to pay double >> or take half the shares, and so on. Also, and this is an important thing >> for me, he will not have contributed on this historical adventure, and the >> advent of a new era where energy is clean and plentiful. >> >> I hope that the picture is now clearer. However, all these things we will >> be more clearly explained on a few documents we're currently preparing. >> >> We, I'm saying this again and then I'm out, we do not want to sell you >> anything, we do not want to cheat you. This is only about actively >> participating in the financing and completion of the research and >> development of a product that can improve our lives. Those who believe in >> it, can participate; those who prefer purchasing a black box that MAYBE >> works... do that IF you can. >> >> Roy >> > > Roy Virgilio was gracious enough to provide more answers and > clarifications in an additional post: > > http://www.energeticambiente.**it/sistemi-idrogeno-nikel/** > 14742857-novit%C3%A0-cella-**piantelli-7.html#post119337412<http://www.energeticambiente.it/sistemi-idrogeno-nikel/14742857-novit%C3%A0-cella-piantelli-7.html#post119337412> > > @ Shirakawa: If Piantelli convinced the scientific community (which, >>> unfortunately, made recently a petition against piezonuclear reactions) >>> that LENR are a reality, then investments would not be a problem anymore... >>> >> >> This is the path prof. Piantelli is going through lately. There are good >> chances that soon there will be fundamental data which could break down the >> brickwall once and for all (hopefully). If this finding is confirmed (the >> prof is ultra precise in these matters and the experiment will be repeated >> until there is no doubt that the result is not an artifact) well, then the >> reaction will no longer be denied by anyone. >> >> @ Shirakawa: you're reporting for example, that the Professor could take >>> up to a year to collect the remaining funds needed for research >>> >> >> Not really... in the sense that the fundraising is to achieve only 1% of >> the shares that Metalenergy is estimated being worth TODAY, which is around >> one million euros. The other stocks are traded to medium-large companies or >> investors of a certain level. This is just to make sure that everybody can >> contribute with something, and have in the future (but not in 10 years!) a >> fair profit. And this without having to ruin your life other than maybe >> giving up to 10 lottery tickets and investing just 100 euros for a >> certainly more noble cause. >> >> @ Maxwell61: there must at least be some cells that produce more than >>> they consume must be, otherwise I suppose there would be no reason to do >>> research >>> >> >> [Yes,] There are such cells. >> >> @ Maxwell61: I think that here we are just asking to have 2 numbers: >>> input power and output power ... and if making these measurements are part >>> of the "future research" after the fundrasing or if it will be possible to >>> have them before. >>> >> >> The matter is a bit different. In the sense that Piantelli, as repeatedly >> stated, kept for several months (more than 8) cells in continuous overunity >> and even in self-sustaining mode. This result is established and >> repeatable. Currently, however, experimentations are aimed at analyzing the >> fuel, the doping, geometry and nanometrics. So, some [cells] give overunity >> results, some do not, some show certain things and others make it >> understand which paths to NOT follow. So his is not working on scale-up and >> a single final prototype on which one can make measurements, but on >> different parallel experiments where each one shows something, makes better >> understand what is the best way to follow, both directly and indirectly. >> As soon as a few parameters will be defined (and many are already!) maybe >> it will become possible any day to make a prototype that will pull 5 kW out >> of nothing. And not by a miracle or strange sequences of reactors in >> parallel (?) but because there will be the mastery of the phenomenon and >> its laws. But for this there will be to wait a little bit (in my opinion >> not too much). >> >> @ Maxwell61: Since we're talking about money, a minimum standard of >>> clarity is essential. >>> >> >> The clarity is and will obviously be necessary and will be given as much >> as possible also with patents and official documents. And, I hope, but this >> is just an idea that came to my mind now, even with regular visits to the >> lab from those who put money on this. >> >> Roy >> > > Cheers, > S.A. > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ [email protected]
