What does CoE stand for, I guess it means in a closed system? Thy symbols dont match the words very well, so I cant find the meaning
Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ --- On Sun, 6/17/12, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: From: David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE... To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, June 17, 2012, 8:15 PM Mark, you ask the tough questions. When I consider the possibility of a new energy form I have to think of the historic past. We are notoriously incapable of imagining things such as this unless some well observed phenomenon is unknown and accepted as true. Anything our senses can not detect on demand generally gets put into the category of 'I will believe it when I see it'. This is true until these new things are well published and accepted within the scientific community. There are still many things being observed by ourselves and others on rare occasions that have not been explained. The UFO observations suggest some very strange physics and the same can be mentioned when spirit type issues arise. A strange new energy form might well be lurking within these subjects. I would have to say that I suspect that your number 2 would apply in my open mind state. It is not necessary to invoke a new energy form to explain LENR as far as I have seen at this point, but who knows what might arise. There are some very strange things still going on in our research results. The unknown variables are the things that make this field most interesting to creative folks like us. Dave -----Original Message----- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:54 pm Subject: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE... #yiv1787374310 #yiv1787374310AOLMsgPart_1_e497a6a3-145a-4eb7-92eb-d4ffd70b9882 td{color:black;} _filtered #yiv1787374310 {font-family:"Cambria Math";panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1787374310 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv1787374310 #yiv1787374310AOLMsgPart_1_e497a6a3-145a-4eb7-92eb-d4ffd70b9882 p.yiv1787374310MsoNormal, #yiv1787374310 #yiv1787374310AOLMsgPart_1_e497a6a3-145a-4eb7-92eb-d4ffd70b9882 li.yiv1787374310MsoNormal, #yiv1787374310 #yiv1787374310AOLMsgPart_1_e497a6a3-145a-4eb7-92eb-d4ffd70b9882 div.yiv1787374310MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"serif";}#yiv1787374310 #yiv1787374310AOLMsgPart_1_e497a6a3-145a-4eb7-92eb-d4ffd70b9882 a:link, #yiv1787374310 #yiv1787374310AOLMsgPart_1_e497a6a3-145a-4eb7-92eb-d4ffd70b9882 span.yiv1787374310MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1787374310 #yiv1787374310AOLMsgPart_1_e497a6a3-145a-4eb7-92eb-d4ffd70b9882 a:visited, #yiv1787374310 #yiv1787374310AOLMsgPart_1_e497a6a3-145a-4eb7-92eb-d4ffd70b9882 span.yiv1787374310MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1787374310 #yiv1787374310AOLMsgPart_1_e497a6a3-145a-4eb7-92eb-d4ffd70b9882 span.yiv1787374310EmailStyle17 {font-family:"sans-serif";color:windowtext;}#yiv1787374310 #yiv1787374310AOLMsgPart_1_e497a6a3-145a-4eb7-92eb-d4ffd70b9882 .yiv1787374310MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv1787374310 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv1787374310 #yiv1787374310AOLMsgPart_1_e497a6a3-145a-4eb7-92eb-d4ffd70b9882 div.yiv1787374310WordSection1 {} I’m curious as to how fellow Vorts would answer this question… What are the chances that there is at least one undiscovered form of energy yet to be discovered? 0=No F*in Way 1=slight chance 2=reasonable chance 3=very good chance 4=I’m certain there are undiscovered forms of energy I had the opportunity to work with some competent scientists during grad school at the Atmospheric Sciences Center of the Desert Research Institute… it was a wonderful experience, and I would occasionally drop in and chat with a few of the chemists and physicists. Often our conversations drifted to ‘fringe’ topics like LENR; most were quite open to the possibility, actually. One of the research chemists, Bill Finnegan, had a major gripe with the way they teach science… he asked me to grab a book off his shelf (it was a college text on Thermodynamics), asked me to open it to the Preface, and read it out loud (it was only two paragraphs)… I don’t remember the section verbatim, but the whole point he wanted me to learn was that there is a qualifying phrase which all the Laws of Thermodynamics BEGIN with… especially, the first and second (CoE and increasing Entropy)… that phrase is, “IN A CLOSED SYSTEM…” <you know the rest> Dr. Finnegan’s gripe was that all too often that simple, but all important, phrase was not emphasized enough to make it stick in students’ minds… it makes a big difference in their mentality once they get into actual research. And I will continue to remind this Collective of that all important fact… we know about and can easily measure various kinds of energy, but that does not mean that we are aware of and can measure ALL forms of energy. Hence, when someone adamantly relies on CoE, saying that such and such is impossible since it would violate CoE, they are not a scientist in my mind. The good scientists are always very careful with the wording they use, and ‘always’ and ‘never’ and ‘impossible’ are seldom if ever used by them; instead, they use phrases like ‘very unlikely’, or ‘highly improbable’. Those are the minds that were taught proper thermodynamics… improperly taught science slowly results in scientific dogma. -Mark
