Dear Axil I agree- however DGTG started to speak about temperatures over 650 C from February this year, so if somebody has invented LENR ++- it was Defkalion. peter
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote: > Extending on Peter Gluck’s concept of LENR+ as a supplemented LENR > design, I offer to classify this new Rossi design as a LENR++ design. > > > DGT LENR+ technology has been superseded by Rossi’s new LERN++ design. I > will wait for this new Rossi device to be commercially available for home > use before I make a buying decision on my own personal LENR unit. > > > Cheers: Axil > > > On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 4:51 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This new information is the major reason for my post. The control is >> now far superior if the recent reports are accurate. >> >> The actual operating temperature of the core internally is not different >> unless it can now be elevated without danger of thermal run away, and if >> the process is totally under control of something as simple as an electric >> current then he has a much improved device. >> >> Dave >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Axil Axil <[email protected]> >> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> >> Sent: Fri, Jul 6, 2012 4:12 pm >> Subject: Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations >> >> In the old style E-Cat core, the flow of coolant water was the way the >> E-Cat heat production process was controlled. Water flow was increased to >> retard the reaction, and conversely water flow was retarded to increase the >> reaction. >> On the other hand, the DGT core is also thermionic. DGT turns the >> reaction off and on to produce a pulsed heat source where heat generation >> is averaged over a period of time. >> >> Because the reaction mechanism is no longer thermionic, there is no >> coolant involved, electric control alone can regulate the reaction in the >> E-Cat core. In the new solid state E-Cat design,a steady flow of input >> electric current results in a steady level of direct output of heat >> production. >> The elimination of thermionic control is major progress made possible by >> the design of the solid state E-Cat, IMHO. >> >> Cheers: Axil >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Harry Veeder <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> I just want to remind people that the claimed operating temperature of >>> 600C is not new. When Rossi presented the ecat in Jan 2011, he said >>> the core would reach temperatures around 600C, but the heated water >>> only just boiled. Now he claims the core is stable at 600C but he is >>> not doing anything with the generated heat. Is this progress or >>> puffery? >>> >>> Harry >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:56 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > Recently it has been reported that the latest version of the Rossi >>> ECAT can >>> > operate at 600 degrees centigrade or more without going unstable. >>> This is a >>> > remarkable improvement if accurate and it is suggested that the proof >>> will >>> > be delivered soon. >>> > The earlier versions of the device tended to become unstable when the >>> > temperature increased much beyond the operational level and now that >>> appears >>> > to be under control. To operate in such a manner suggests that the >>> > mechanism which establishes the LENR activity is mostly independent of >>> > temperature of the device. Actually it might imply that now there is >>> a form >>> > of negative feedback operating which tends to throttle back the energy >>> > generation process once a threshold temperature is reached. >>> > I have long hoped that the driver source could become independent of >>> the >>> > output states in LENR devices since that would devoice the devices >>> from the >>> > strong temperature effects that have made stability a big problem to >>> contend >>> > with. Imagine how wonderful it will be if we are able to control the >>> > reaction by just changing the drive with minor temperature >>> degradations. >>> > There has been a lot of recent activity related to carbon nanotubes and >>> > variation in the waveforms driving the LENR devices. Perhaps Rossi has >>> > found a good combination of hydrogen storage with release control and >>> an >>> > electrical signal that work together as a system. Time will reveal if >>> all >>> > or any of this is true. >>> > Maybe someone within the group has knowledge of the operation of the >>> > Patterson cells which seemed to use an electric current as the control >>> > handle. Was that device sensitive to temperature in the manner >>> associated >>> > with positive feedback or more benign as would be expected if negative >>> > feedback were dominate? >>> > I for one would welcome the improvements in the Rossi device that have >>> been >>> > outlined, but have learned from experience that it is easy to say >>> something >>> > remarkable but then not follow up with the goods. Perhaps this time >>> we will >>> > see the results that we so much anticipate. >>> > Dave >>> > >>> >>> >> > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
