Converting Atomic Energy Into Utilizable Kinetic Energy". Papp used radium, notably.
The Radioactive element used in the Papp type engine is thorium an alpha emitter, not radium. The purpose for the use of this radioactive element in the Papp engine is to ionize the nobel gas to set it up to conduct the spark. This is done to keep the voltage of the spark as low as possible. In the Papp engine, the spark voltage is 40KV. In Papp’s day, high voltage spark technology was limited. In the John Rohner(JR) engine like Rossi’s reactor, the use of a powered radioactive element is not used as a result of political and certification issues. JR uses 110 KV and he gets it up to 440KV in a way that I do not yet understand. With these high voltages he does not need much ionization to start the spark. He also uses a RF generator which sets up the nobel gas for ionization; it makes the spark through the noble gas more conductive. One contradiction that JR has is as follows. He says he uses a tungsten/thorium welding rod as the anode. This contradicts his statement that he uses no radioactive elements in his reactor. Maybe he is down on radioactive thorium dust which is dangerous and is inexact in his manner of speaking. Cheers: Axil On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Axil Axil > > * First, since Papp technology is open source, and intellectual > property is not an issue, the lawyers are not going to get very far. > > What makes you think it is open source? In fact, this appears not to be the > case. There are several patents in effect, even if Papp's original IP has > expired. Note that his original IP is entitled: "Method & Means of > Converting Atomic Energy Into Utilizable Kinetic Energy". Papp used radium, > notably. > > * Next IMHO, Bob Rohner is not capable of getting the Papp engine to > commercialization. > > That much is true. > > * Next, the Papp engine should be rightly feared by LENR advocates > because it will make most of the known LENR technology obsolete. In this > state of affairs, the LENR community will tend to disparage it; it's human > nature. > > Absurd ! This is completely unscientific bogosity. Nobody "fears" it > because > there is nothing to fear. There is no data in the last 20 years that shows > it has worked since the time of Papp. I agree that it did work then and > that > the reason is known. Your Nobel gas cluster idea was shot down in flames - > and to be frank - this whole episode is really becoming a joke and a > distraction to new technology that does work. > > * Finally, the engine that Feynman saw was self-powered, that is why > it ran away. > > Even if that is partly true historically, the engine has not been > duplicated > since Papp's time and for a very good reason. Papp used radioactive > isotopes, most radium - which are not obtainable now, and consequently his > version of the engine will never be duplicated in the way Papp was able to > do it. > > * Papp was intent on showing a perpetual motion device and he cross > wired the cylinders so they each fed power the other. This feedback setup > resulted in an accelerating positive feedback loop and a man was killed by > it. > > Since nuclear isotopes were Papp's power source, this disqualifies > "perpetual motion". The feedback scenario is a guess without any underlying > justification, other than that it relates to Hubbard. All that we know for > fact is that Feynman unplugged it while running, it exploded and a > bystander > was killed, Cal Tech was sued and paid the estate of the victim a large > sum. > Following that tragedy, the engine was never shown independently to run > again. It is possible the victim ingested radioactive materials but that > was > covered up in the settlement agreement. > > It is ludicrous to think that anyone in LENR "fears" the modern versions of > Papp technology, because there is nothing to it without the radium and > other > isotopes. Papp invented a new kind of nuclear reactor - END OF STORY. > > Except for this: If you want to investigate a better device than Papp, > which > also used the same or similar radioactive isotopes for large apparent gain > being dependent on a proper coil - and probably very similar to Papp - > investigate the Hubbard coil: > > http://www.rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm > > There is no doubt it worked, and little doubt that the reason it worked had > a lot to do with radium... same as the Papp engine. The Hubbard coil has > the > distinct advantage of being solid state and needing no noble gasses. > > There is a glaring cross-connection of Hubbard's design to the original > Papp > engine via the coil. Do you think this is coincidental? Note also the > details that are seen in the foundation of Josef Papp's work: US Patent # > 3,670,494; "Method & Means of Converting Atomic Energy Into Utilizable > Kinetic Energy" and this is clearly based on converting radium and similar > isotopes into electrical current. Radium was once commonly available, but > no > longer. > > >
