Yep, it is speculation at this point. Do you have any idea as to how the liquid behavior would generate the piston thrust? We need any new ideas out there as we attempt to understand this device.
I am approaching the device from an unusual electric motor design. We know that charged ions are in motion which will generate a magnetic field. I also see evidence that the electrons will head toward the positive voltage electrodes while the ions will go in reverse. The axial magnetic field will cause both types of particles to rotate within the cylinder in opposite directions. I am thinking that the collisions between the neutral atoms and the circulating particles will lead to mass ionization. If LENR occurs due to the ions and other factors, it will add energy to the mix which ultimately does the external work. It is early in the understanding, but it has possibilities. I visualize that the very rapidly changing magnetic field induces currents in both the piston as well as the end cap in opposition. This process may further enhance LENR by behaving as a form of pinch for the ions between the two fields. The force that drives the piston would be supported by a reaction force applied to the end cap of the cylinder. In my way of thinking this would help explain why the ions are not pushed away from the center of the reaction region as the piston accelerates away from them. This process would by necessity require both the piston as well as the end caps to be highly conductive. The process I have outlined is very speculative and I realize that, but if the engine is to function at all and run warm, then it can not be any form of normal heat engine since the efficiency of these is rather poor. The efficiency of an electric motor is quite good and hence my push in that direction. The Papp engine might actually be a form of electric motor that uses LENR to generate linear motion efficiently. Lets hope for such a process. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Harry Veeder <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 11:57 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:McKubre clarifies his view of the Celani demonstration On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 12:56 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: > I wish we had more guys looking over these Papp engines to determine whether > or not they are real. The concept is interesting, and of course there are > problems that need resolution before quantity production could be > considered. > > I have been thinking of the behavior of a crossed field device of this > nature and think there may be something there, but it is quite complex. > Review the operation of magnetrons if you want to see some similar > characteristics. I am still attempting to calculate the electromagnetic > power pulse applied to the piston, since it apparently does not operate as a > heat engine. At them moment it is not clear how the nobel gas ion mixture > supplies the reaction momentum to the piston motion. One day someone will > figue this puppy out. > Pure speculation: The gas momentarily behaves like a liquid. Harry
