JoJo,
                If it were simple everyone would be doing it.. some nice recent 
clues I hope you were gathering were regarding the best alloys being of Ni and 
cu where grain size would also be an important variable and I think  you will 
also need a support structure- dielectric as Jones suggests, Zirconia, To 
assist in spillover - also with respect to those 2-12 nm numbers keep in mind 
the size of the powder grains, tubules or appendages are not necessarily the 
geometries in play since you have to consider how they pack together with 
backfills and support structures which may be why the Rossi tubules sounded so 
large to those of us expecting Casimir geometries [which BTW you do see in 
Rayney nickel in an inverse sort of way -so catalytic action and Casmir effect 
are likely interrelated]

The DYNAMIC anomalous environment we are all trying to exploit - the different 
size crevices - are all essentially Casimir plates braced apart at different 
distances - the plates can not shut even though there is a "pressure" 
differential where outside the plates you have standard distribution of large 
and small virtual particles while between the plates only smaller particles can 
appear which would push the plates together if not braced apart - gas molecules 
moving between these differtently spaced "plates" of conductive material [Ni] 
experiences these changes in pressure the same as we would experience being at 
different positions in a  gravity well but without the normal square of the 
distance gradient we are accustomed to. This is referred to as a break in the 
isotropy in cavity QED or in this case an ongoing dynamic change between 
different isotropy as the molecules are constantly required to move by gas law. 
To be more accurate the hydrogen is jumping between different points in a 
gravity hill not a well since it is based on suppression of the isotropy and 
not the concentration you get when accumulating mass.  No need to get into 
relativistic theory or Naudts paper on hydrino but my takeaway is that 
catalyzed or fractional H2 opposes these changes in isotropy such that when it 
is pushed into a different zone the molecular bond resists this displacement 
and the heat needed to disassociate the molecule can be discounted to the point 
where the energy released upon immediate re-association is greater than the 
heat absorbed courtesy of HUP and gas law.[no one ever said gas motion isn't 
energy they only said it couldn't be exploited because it was too chaotic..well 
-I think we found a practical form of maxwellian demon here - no hardware to 
rectify needed you simply extract heat using self assembled bulk geometry of 
powders. Model and Haisch have a prototype of tunnels through alternating thin 
layers of conduct and insulating metal and then circulate gas through tunnels - 
so it can also be fabricated but has scaling limitations.

heat extraction is critical to protecting the geometry from self destructing - 
which IMHO was the downfall of the MAHG and perhaps the present limiting factor 
on COP claims by Rossi, Defkallion and others - I was rather hoping tungsten 
could be used to sidestep this issue to a certain degree but if Ni and cu are 
the sweethearts then we gotta go with what works.. perhaps use tungsten powder  
as a backfill to pack the conductive geometry tighter? I also suspect that much 
of the best geometry self destructs instantly all around us in ambient air and 
similar to the way some catalysts have to made in multiple steps or nano parts 
have to avoid stiction or Mills has to keep Rayney Nickel wet you might want to 
activate your mix in inert gas then go straight to hydrogen without ever 
exposing your fissure surfaces to ambient gases. You may also want to have heat 
sinking already on when you go from inert gas to hydrogen since IMHO your most 
valuable real estate self destructs the moment inert gas is replaced by ambient.

Fran


From: Jojo Jaro [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 8:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:It's fission

Fran,

Jones has suggested that I go to your site to study your post about casimer 
cavitites; in fact, I've been to your blog several times,  but most of what you 
are saying is beyond my paygrade.  I have no idea how to interpret what you are 
saying.

So, can you help me out.  Based on your theory, how does one achieve this 
overunity from dynamical casimer cavities.  Just put an H2 molecule in a 
casimer cavity 2-12 nm in size and ionize it and allow it to recombine 
resulting in excess heat due to excess bosonic glue as Jones theorizes?  Could 
it be as simple as this?

What do you mean by "normal gas motion between different casimer geometries can 
discount and disassociate H2 at an overunity rate."  Do you mean, ionize H2 at 
a certain size cavity and then move it to a different size cavity (bigger or 
smaller?) ?  If this is what you mean, I can achieve this.  I seem to remember 
a way to build Carbon Nanotubes via tip growth wherein you start out with a 
bigger diameter CNT and modify it to a smaller diameter CNT.  I think this is 
possible.  This would provide a change in casimer cavity size.  Would this work?



Jojo


----- Original Message -----
From: Roarty, Francis X<mailto:[email protected]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:58 AM
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:It's fission

Jones,
        I'm ok with your posit crediting the extra energy to these slight 
atomic overages , it is an olive branch to those that still insist this a 
nuclear reaction despite the fleeting amount of ash while leaving the door open 
for those of us that credit ZPE as being a key ingredient. Your theory, Haisch 
and Model's lamb pinch or my posit of changes in NAE opposing h2 motion 
differently than h1 motion are all just different theories for containing and 
rectifying this same anomalous environment to produce heat... We seem to share 
the same back end where the energy is released when h2 reforms but regarding 
the front end, there are likely many methods that will suffice, After reading 
about the MAHG, and Lyne, and Langmuir I derived my posit that normal gas 
motion between different Casimir geometries can discount and disassociate H2 at 
an over unity rate. In the case of atomic welding I think some of the hydrogen 
ions do indeed act like catalyzers for other hydrogen molecules much like Mills 
predicts in Rayney Nickel.
Fran



_____________________________________________
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 6:19 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:It's fission


-----Original Message-----
From: Jojo Jaro
So, you are hypothesizing fission of Nickel?  Wouldn't that be unlikely 
considering that nickel is such a stable element? ...What would be the fission 
reaction paths ending up with these elements.
Jojo,

I have been pursuing what is a "default" theory which has been posted to 
Newsgroups for the past few months to explain nickel-hydrogen gain. It is 
basically "what is left" when you eliminate the theories which cannot work, due 
to actual results and especially lack of gammas. The theory is fully 
falsifiable, unlike the others.

My major hypothesis is that the gain does derive from mass-to-energy 
conversion, even if there is little or no actual fusion, fission, beta decay or 
transmutation, since the proton mass is not quantized. The proton mass-energy 
is in the vicinity of 938.272013 MeV on average (even this accepted value is in 
contention) but this value becomes what is really an "average mass" based on 
whatever the most advanced current measurement technique is being use before 
recalibration.

The average mass can vary a fractional percent or more between atoms, as either 
"overage" or "deficit" and the hydrogen will still be hydrogen. The overage 
fraction is in play for conversion into energy via QCD, and this becomes the 
mystery energy source for Ni-H reactions, whether they be from Mills, Rossi, 
DGT, Piantelli, Celani, or Thermacore. It all begins with spillover, and most 
likely the process must have a Casimir connection - in the geometry and 
porosity.

A fraction of hydrogen average mass overage, when in-play (with about a third 
of the heaviest atoms) - would be partly convertible to energy when the strong 
force is pitted against Coulomb repulsion or in a number of other scenarios, 
but no actual fusion or fission or decay. The predecessor event is when 
spillover hydrogen is captured in a Casimir sized nano-pore (2-12 nm), and 
later, when it recombines into H2 or is expelled at high velocity by Coulomb 
force prior to that.

The standard model gives us 938.272013 MeV as hydrogen mass but the quark 
component is small for all three - but is the only component which is 
relatively "fixed" by standard theory; and at least one hundred MeV is present 
but not required to bind quarks. This is the bosonic quantum "glue" and some of 
it is expendable. Thus, there is plenty of wiggle room for quasi-nuclear gain, 
even if most of the "glue" must be retained, since quarks are not mutually 
attractive without it.

Bottom line, there is a range of expendable mass-energy of the non-quark 
remainder bosons (pions, gluons, etc) in the proton average mass - which is 
extractable as the 'gain' seen in the Ni-H thermal effect - yet the proton 
maintains its identity and no radioactivity or transmutation needs to show up.

Ironically, this is still a "nuclear reaction" but is being labeled as 
quasi-nuclear, to avoid confusion.

Jones
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