I performed additional analysis and have a couple of items to add to the 
simulation results.  The first one is that it is obvious that the Rossi 
controlled devices operate within the thermal run away region to achieve a COP 
of 6.  In these cases, the positive feedback is responsible for the gain and 
also set the time constants required to keep the units stable with drive.  
Other implicit components that effect the time constant are the thermal 
capacitance of the core and thermal resistance through which the heat energy 
flows.

One consequence of operation within the unstable region is that a strong shock 
is required to force the rising temperature function of the device to reverse 
direction.  Once reversed, the temperature will head toward zero and stable 
operation unless another external positive heating shock occurs at an important 
time.  This behavior might well explain why Rossi continues to insist that he 
can not use the heat  output of an ECAT to drive additional ones.  The slow 
response time of the ECAT driver would not constitute a thermal shock that 
could control the operation of its brothers.  An electric or gas heater can 
respond rapidly enough to achieve the desired results.

Perhaps I sound like a Rossi fan by continuing to support his claims while many 
of the other vorts seem to question them.  I guess my confidence in many of his 
statements is that they tend to be confirmable by my model performance.  If he 
were totally full of "***" then why insist upon a COP that is reasonable, but 
low, when claiming a higher value would be advantageous?  How would extending 
this claim make him more of a dud?

Dave




-----Original Message-----
From: David Roberson <[email protected]>
To: vortex-l <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 4:50 pm
Subject: [Vo]:ECAT Simulations With Third Order Temperature Dependency


Earlier I posted information obtained by simulating the ECAT device.  The last 
version assumed that the ECAT internal LENR energy generation mechanism 
depended upon the core temperature as a second order function.  The latest 
trial runs were obtained by using a model that allowed this temperature 
dependency to be of the third power.  I was curious as to how much more 
critical the system would behave at this higher power and gave it a test run.
 
I was able to obtain a COP of almost 18 if I pushed the operation of the core 
to the brink of critical run away temperature.  This would not be acceptable 
unless an active cooling method was also available that could extract heat 
rapidly from the core if its temperature became too great.  Rossi may have 
something of this nature in his latest design, but it is not evident.  The 
power drive duty cycle was required to be approxiamtely 10% during this test 
run.
 
If I operated the device within a conservative mode where I kept the 
temperature at 90% of the run away value I only obtained a COP of 3.61.  I 
noted that the duty cycle of the drive was 50% which is as Rossi has stated 
within his journal.
 
With these two independent runs available for reference it is clear that I 
could obtain the expected COP of 6 if I carefully chose the peak temperature 
excursion of the device.  In the earlier experiment with the temperature 
dependency of second order the matching seemed to be easier and I achieved a 
good level with the first attempt.  The implication of my modeling is that it 
is likely that Rossi or anyone who has a device that follows this general rule 
would be capable of making the COP of 6.0 if the design contains a reasonable 
geometry and has the internal thermal resistances properly adjusted. 
 
If anyone is aware of the power output-temperature functional relationship of 
Rossi's device please direct me to that data so that I can adjust the model to 
match the real world more closely.  At this point it appears that Rossi is 
playing conservative and safe with his claimed COP of 6.  He may eventually 
raise this level to be more competitive with others and there is room for 
adjustment especially if a good technique is used to actively cool the core.
 
 The usual disclaimer applies to this document.  The model is for educational 
purposes only and may not reflect upon real device operational characteristics.
 
Dave
 
P.S. Contact me directly if you want further details about the model or its 
behavior.
 
 
 

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