Axil, I am hoping all of these approaches are on the right track - whether they use H or D. BTW, it wasn't mentioned on Vortex-l, but "The SmartScarecrow Show" had a video presentation covering a variety of cavitation approaches I had never seen. If interested, it is at:
http://smartscarecrow.com/2012/08/30/cavitating-electroyzers-the-key-to-over-unity-by-moray-b-king/ -- LP Axil wrote: > There is no deuterium in the LeClairÂ’s cavatation. He uses only water and > aluminum from Home Depot. > > Molten fluoride salts are transparent like water and the cavatation > methods > that LeClair uses will work with molten salts, IMHO; but molten salts are > far hotter of course. > > Sonofusion might also perform with molten salts. > > Dear pagnucco you suffer from the same Deuterium fixation that many other > cold fusion veterans suffer from. This is based on the fantasy that > Deuterium is required to support a version of hot fusion. > > This is what Peter Gluck has been railing about when he tries to draw a > distinction between LENR and LENR+. > > Cavatation is a LENR + reaction and is fundamentally the same as the Rossi > reaction where no deuterium is used. All LeClair needs at a minimum is > water to support his reaction. > > Cheers: Axil > > > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:27 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Axil, >> >> Interesting points. >> Perhaps related to one of their points on their webpage at URL: >> http://www.quantum-fusion.com/technology.shtml >> >> ""Due to the laws of quantum mechanics CIF power output exponentially >> depends on temperature: e.g. a tenfold increase in temperature >> results >> in 50,000-fold increase in the output power! Therefore minute process >> improvements will result in huge power boost (the law of diminishing >> returns does not apply to CIF design)"" >> >> I don't know much about how well deuterium (or D2O) dissolves in these >> salts (or other hi-temp liquids), but it sounds worth pursuing. >> Hopefully, some of the sonofusion proponents will participate in >> Vortex-l >> discussions. >> >> -- LP >> >> >> Axil^2 wrote: >> > The theory that sonafusion is based on Deuterium fusion may be flawed. >> > Under this theory, two deuterium atoms are supposed to fuse and >> convert >> > into helium. This fusion does not happen. I do not believe this fusion >> is >> > possible. >> > >> > As the LeClair experiment with cavatation has indicated, a molecule >> > clustering mechanism which accumulates and concentrates positive >> electric >> > charge may be the cause of any nuclear reactions that may be happening >> in >> > sonofusion. >> > >> > IMHO, to make sonofusion as well as the LeClair reactions more >> effective >> > at >> > producing nuclear heat, molten fluoride salts should be tried to >> replace >> > water as the cavatation medium. With this engineering change, this >> ionic >> > cavatation medium may produce coulomb barrier lowering molecular >> > clustering >> > since molten salts have been shown to produce intense damage to >> cavatation >> > impellers 10 times more intense than water. >> > >> > Unlike water, molten salts can support very high electro-turbines >> > operating >> > temperatures up to 1000C. Higher thermodynamic efficiencies will then >> be >> > possible at ambient pressure. >> > >> > >> > >> > Cheers: Axil >> > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 2:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> Perhaps of interest - >> >> >> >> I am not sure whether this has been posted on Vortex-l before, but >> >> Quantum Fusion, Inc., has a professional looking website - >> >> >> >> http://www.quantum-fusion.com/ >> >> >> >> - which is promoting deuterium based sonofusion with the aim of >> reducing >> >> energy generation cost to 1 cent/kWh. >> >> >> >> The pdf-documents at the bottom of their science page - >> >> http://www.quantum-fusion.com/science.shtml >> >> - appear well researched. >> >> >> >> Any opinions on whether sonofusion has suffered the same fate as >> LENR, >> >> and >> >> whether it deserves a second look? >> >> >> >> -- Lou Pagnucco >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >
