One explanation for the gain involves wave polarization leading to 
multiplication of sonic energy. This would be similar to the “singing bowl” 
phenomenon. S and P Polarization is probably natural to nested hemispheres when 
the gap is ideal. Thus one can rationalize using basically what is in this 
abstract: 

 

http://iopscience.iop.org/1063-7818/40/6/A06

 

“It is shown that when an s-polarized wave is mixed with a [planar] wave of the 
same frequency, which is incident along the normal to the metal surface, three 
frequency-doubled waves are generated.”

 

OK the naïve implication would be that 50 Hz grid current can somehow project 
itself into medium as 3 x 100 Hz harmonics – which ostensibly would be gainful.

 

LOL. If only overunity were so simple.

 

The coordinate system relates to the plane and a vector perpendicular to the 
plane - a reflecting surface. The component of the electric field parallel to 
this plane is termed p (parallel) and the component perpendicular to this plane 
is termed s (senkrecht German for perpendicular). Then we throw in a dose of 
Dicke superradiance, some pixie dust and voila – OU  :-)

 

 

 

From: David Roberson 

 

Very strange behavior indeed.  The thing that amazes me is the rapidity with 
which the heat seems to be generated.  It appears as though many thousands of 
watts of power would be required to boil water this fast.  We could be a bit 
confused by the bubbles since they might just be cavitation due to ultrasonic 
drive, but they also might be true boiling.  Has anyone had a close look at any 
of these types of experiments to uncover deception? 

 

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Jones Beene 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTV85J2QHj0 
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTV85J2QHj0&feature=plcp> &feature=plcp

 

contrast this one with the Thrapp video as it is a bit more believable – there 
are differences and similarities – however, can there be any doubt that 
geometry and resonance are involved as much, or more so than Ohmic heating or 
direct water-splitting? 

 

 

Dave,

 

You are exactly right – the video is suspicious, and that suspicion is not 
mitigated by the inventor’s demeanor, nor the fact that he is supposedly a 
Christian minister. But I prefer this Thrapp scenario - to the Rossi’s 
credentials anytime. 

 

The biggest problem with Thrapp/Davey is that here we are 4 years later and 
there is no commercial unit, BUT this situation is little different to Rossi’s 
delay - since AR claimed to be in full production over a year ago.

 

I would not even have mentioned Thrapp - had not the Davey device, with its 
undeniable similarity, been investigated by Steven Jones with what appear to be 
positive results.

 

It there is anything to the claim of excess heat, SJ will probably find it. 

 

 

From: David Roberson 

 

Does this device operate with standard tap water that has impurities?  The 
mention of an RF resonator in the video has interesting implications if this 
device actually works.  The spherical shape of the unit suggests that it would 
have resonances at radio frequencies within and some might be closely coupled 
to the water molecules or atoms to which they are composed.  The heating energy 
must arise from some mechanism since the device appears to warm up at a rate 
that far exceeds the possible output power of the 9 volt battery. 

 

My opinion is that there is some kind of trick being displayed here although 
there is no proof.  Perhaps the 'water' is not really water but some mixture 
that self heats when triggered by the battery input.  The invention needs to be 
tested with fresh water applied and controlled by the experimenter without 
interference of the inventor.  This test should be run several times in a row 
to ensure that the metal enclosure does not contribute to the heating as well.  
I would further carefully measure the time required to heat the fresh tap water 
during each warm up period to ensure that this is the same while using fresh 
batteries for each run.

 

One can never be positive that a demonstration such as this is not a magic 
trick since there are many ways to confuse people.  I guess that Rossi has 
determined that the only way to prove his ECAT to the world is to sell them and 
he might be correct is that assumption.  This device might be another case 
where that concept is valid.

 

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Jones Beene 

Actually, I think that this is one of the better slide presentations out
there this year - in the entire field - despite a few controversial
statements and being in need of massive editing. Hats off to Steven Jones to
support the Davey device, even though that inventor was nutty - and the
prior claims were heavy on anecdote. Both the Davey and Timothy Thrapp
spherical hot water heaters have been demonstrated to be way overunity, and
operate on what could be a similar principal, and also are the product of
inventors who are their own worst enemies. Both tried to hide the role of
nickel alloys, but there is also a geometry factor is the sphere or
hemisphere, along with recombination (chemical asymmetry). Here is a Thrapp
video, and you can probably see note that this inventor suffers from the
same Messiah complex as Joseph Newman.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06iCfowinUM
 
 

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