At 02:22 PM 12/17/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Original Subject: [Vo]:New Data "Worrying" 2000 climatologists about
Global Warming ....
Here's some new data that is "worrying" 2000 climatologists about
Global Warming .
[the complete post is quoted at the bottom]
Jojo, below, claims that others are off-topic, so he can be, too. Yet
he was not responding to some "AGW propaganda." This was an original
post in this subject header.
The subject of AGW is of peripheral interest to the Vortex list,
because of the perceived need for alternative, clean energy. So
people sometimes mention it.
However, this is not a place to debate AGW itself, it's peripheral.
Jojo takes extreme positions, uses highly provocative and offensive
language, and we can see what happens here. People bite. This thread
generated 42 posts today, so far, plus 11 from him.
Jojo wrote:
BTW, I want nothing more than people laying off AGW (or Anti-AGW)
propaganda from this forum.
He's lying. This post (along with many others) demonstrates it. He
deliberately provoked this discussion. He deliberately requested
answer from a specific long-time list member, Jed.
Jojo has a no-holds-barred retaliation policy. He wants everyone to
shut up about global warming, he claims. So what was the last global
warming discussion?
At 03:24 PM 12/12/2012, Harry Veeder wrote a very brief post
suggesting "Cap carbon emissions, pay dividends to everyone," with a
link. Yes. Off-topic, but it was harmlessly so. It was just an
opinion, brief, and only "provocative" if one takes any comment that
can be interpreted as pro-AGW as provocative.
Jed Rothwell commented, "Good idea!" No attack on anyone, no
disparaging comments. Just two words.
At 05:43 PM 12/12/2012, Harry Veeder wrote "another good idea which
will be ignored. ;-)"
That was it, except for Jojo Jaro.
At 07:47 PM 12/12/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote a post starting with "As it
should be. It is a lousy idea." He ended with "There is not
Anthropic Global Warming. You disagree... good! Let's agree to
disagree. But let's agree to stop the off-topic propaganda in Vortex."
Nobody else responded, until Jojo, five days later, out of the blue,
vigorousy stirred the pot with this thread. The first post, quoted
below, was merely anti-AGW propaganda. The original discussion, the
12th was harmless, Two others made comments that might be read as
pro-AGW, but just with an idea and an assent. Jojo responded
assertively, but didn't toss in highly provocative remarks. Here, he
did. And it got worse.
This particular post trolled Jed. It was highly sarcastic and
in-your-face. It worked, and Jojo has shown great skill as a troll.
He intensifies his trolling until he gets the response he really
wants. This is not the first time he's demonstrated that, it's been
documented before. In spite of what he claims, the record is clear,
that Jojo is only here to engage in "favorite topic" flame wars, like
the "usurper-in-Chief" (i.e. Obama), AGW, "ragheads," or the like.
At 08:57 AM 11/6/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Well, I guess this is the end of the rope for me. I don't see much
more leeway for my "political hatred" and religious posts anymore.
Goodbye my friends. May you live in Interesting times with your
newly minted messiah-in-thief. LOL....
Typical troll, actually. He's claimed he was leaving the list many
times. He's promised to lay off others if they lay off him, but then,
when they have stopped, he lays into them again. This is merely the
latest demonstration.
At 03:17 PM 12/17/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote a relatively sensible post in
this thread, as to the central theme. (He argued that draconian
measures re AGW shouldn't be taken if AGW wasn't certain.) However,
he tossed in, as he usually does, provocative phrases and unnecessary
comments. He's not just weaning his farm from oil, he's weaning it
from "raghead" oil. He takes a libertarian position, which is fine.
That is *not* the problem. He isn't just protesting some excessive
concern about the environment, he brings up an entire world-view that
is provocative: " I just despise big, overreaching,
communistic/socialist and fascist world governments telling you what
to do to promote their "Environmental Worshipping" agenda. "
That, of course, invites anyone who seriously cares about the
environment to jump in, and it implies that they are supporting big
government, etc.
At 03:36 PM 12/17/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Harry, You said it best yourself. It "may still" ...
Harry had made a simple comment *discussing* the issue, not "rabid,"
simply raising a possibility, but Jojo, in direct response, referred
to "rabid AGW propagandists in this forum." And again referred to
"raghead oil" -- the particular source of oil is *irrelevant* to the
GW issue. "Raghead" refers to a favorite theme of Jojo's, the
disparagement of Islam, Muslims, etc. Jojo made sure he mentioned his
allegience to "King Jesus Christ." Again, it was irrelevant, but he
can then claim that people are prejudiced against him because he is
"Christian."
He has long been expecting to be banned, he's mentioned that many
times. Usually, it's "Don't bother banning me, I'm gone and I won't
even know." But he's lying about that as well. He simply watches the
list for opportunities to attack his favorite targets. His on-topic
discussion here is relatively rare. I'd say it's gone on not merely
long enough, but too long. Jojo, more than anyone I've seen in a long
time, has been frustrating the purpose of this list. It is not enough
to merely ignore a genuine troll, because trolls are skilled at
enraging people.
This has nothing to do with pro or anti AGW.
At 02:22 PM 12/17/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Here's some new data that is "worrying" 2000 climatologists about
Global Warming ....
Obviously, since 2000 of them were right, this new data must be wrong.
This first link shows the rate of ice melting leading to the
conclusion that Global Warming must be accelerating....???
<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/28/sea_levels_new_science_climate_change/>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/28/sea_levels_new_science_climate_change/
Then, to confirm it, this 2nd link "definitely" shows that Global
warming is occuring that is "correlated" to the amount of C02 that
man pumps out into the atmosphere.... ????
<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/29/wmo_global_temp_figures_2012_doha_ninth_hottest/>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/29/wmo_global_temp_figures_2012_doha_ninth_hottest/
But, what do I know. I'm not one of those 2000 climatologists who
where NOT bribed or threatened in any way. And since, there's 2000
of them; there's only one of me. They must be right and I am wrong
and anybody questioning their conclusions must be nuts. Right Jed?
Hey, if others can violate forum list rules with impunity regarding
AGW propaganda, I should be able to do the opposite propaganda with
impunity... right?
Jojo
PS: BTW, I want nothing more than people laying off AGW (or
Anti-AGW) propaganda from this forum.
