At 07:36 PM 12/24/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Quite honestly, this is the first time I've heard of FGM. After my
first google, I found out what it was and was taken aback by the
practice. This sort of retrograde practice of course is typical of
islam. This is a tribal tradition. When women are property, you
can pretty much do anything to them.
Jojo never heard of it before, but immediately we get his opinions.
FGM is not a "Muslim practice," and it is indeed "tribal tradition,"
of many tribes, mostly in Africa. Christian, Muslim, animist.
Al-Azhar recently issued a fatwa (you know, you've heard of fatwas)
that FGM is not required in Islam, and most Muslim groups are
condemning it. What was *allowed* in Islam, by a certain tradition,
wasn't what is called FGM, except that it might technically be
classified with it, confusing the statistics. The tradition that
allowed it also made it clear that it was not any kind of obligation,
nor was it stated to be beneficial.
It was simply a tribal tradition that wasn't obliterated, as some
were (like burying female children -- which sounds awful, and it was.
However, it wasn't *stupid*. Pre-Islamic Mecca had a population
problem, and you don't control the size of future generations by
controlling the number of males. A number of cultures facing resource
limits practiced female infanticide and polyandry, and they go
tother, for obvious reasons. Polyandry was also a tribal practice
that was eliminated.
What was allowed was harmless, done properly. Less painful than
normal male circumcision. But in some areas, particularly in Africa,
and not as a Muslim practice, infibulation and other major forms of
circumcision, clearly forbidden by Islam, were done.
No doubt, Lomax will spin and will say they will not do this in
America. But, if this is in Sharia law, they will most assuredly do this.
He's double wrong. Male circumcision is indeed Shari'a, but it's not
forced on anyone. Converts to Islam often come up with the question,
"When?" I heard a scholar say, "It's an obligation, but there is no
particular time and nobody is going to tell you when."
(The obligation comes from Abraham, it's essentially the same as with Jews.)
Just imagining the conditions under sharia law is causing the hair
on the back of my neck to rise. It's worst than the worst horror
movie, which to me was "Zombies" which I saw when I was a child.
It was the first and only movie that caused me a sleepless
night. Sharia law is your real life zombies movie. Come to think
about it, sharia law would be worse than living under communism.
True terror: life with a bunch of neighbors like Jojo.
Zombie movie? This FGM thing is a great example. It's not a Muslim
practice, as such. It's practiced by *Christians* in Egypt and
elsewhere, I just wrote a comment on the original question, showing
the practice by Christians in Ethiopia. It's very old, pre-Islamic.
Heck no wonder, countries under sharia law, despite their obvious
oil wealth still do not have the same standard of freedom and
standard of living western "Christian" countries have.
Um. I've actually spent time with Saudis and others. They are human
beings. They adapt to conditions. It's happening all around the
world. Jojo is living in a parochial fantasy.
This my friends is the corruption of islam for all to see.
Jojo is demonstrating very effectively how he thinks.
Tell me, Jojo, is this what being Christian has done to you? It makes
you think like this?
(I don't really believe you are actually Christian. You certainly
don't act like it. But what church do you belong to? Maybe that's it.
Is this what your church does to people? Are there other people like
you in your church? If we want to think as well as you, where would we go?)
----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 4:28 PM
Subject: [Vo]:[OT] Lomax Question
Lomax,
You said ask. Well if Muslim law were adopted in the US, would this
include requirements of FGM for all young girls as practiced today
in Muslim countries? See " Egypt Demographic and Health Survey
(EDHS). EDHS also showed that 91 percent of all women in Egypt
between the ages of 15 and 49 have undergone FGM. ".
Student
