I wasn't going to respond because I did not know much about this and because
it's Christmas, but this did not take long. A 2 second google search
revealed this.
http://answering-islam.org/Sharia/fem_circumcision.html
So, FGM is in fact practiced in Islamic Law. It is "obligatory for both
male and females". Heck, it even has the actual arabic so Lomax can't spin
this away saying the arabic does not say that. LOL....
Female circumcision involves removing the clitoris. A barbaric, useless,
non-medically indicated, and painful practice. If you ask me, this is about
control of the female. Heck, they have to demonstrate they own the female
so how else better to do it than to inflict unneccesary pain. This my
friends is the corruption of islam for all to see.
The point of the issue is not that other tribes do it, the point is that
islam does it. Emulating retrograde old tribal practice is not really
something islam should be proud of; and yet Lomax seems to think it is
acceptable in islam because it was practiced in pre-islam tribes. The fact
that older tribes do it does not mean that islam's practice of it is
justified or even necessary.
Same goes for molesting a 9 year old little girl BARELY OUT OF DIAPERS.
Just because pre-islamic tribes do it, does not mean it is right or it is
even justified. If islam is indeed such a progressive religion, the holey
prophet should have abolished that practice, like the Hindus did, instead of
embracing it with gusto. LOL....
Lomax, my friend, you are slipping up. It took the whole of 2 seconds to
determine you are lying again.
But don't loose hope. Just write one of your lengthy and tiresome essays
again claiming expertise in everything and spin it away with irrelevancy and
people will believe you. LOL....
Jojo
PS, and once again, Lomax says this is practiced by Christians. Claims
without proof. Just his speculation. Show me from the Christian's
authority book, the Bible, where this is taught, required, condoned or
obligatory. I've shown you where this practice is obligatory from Sharia
Law, show me where in the Bible this is obligatory.
Have some shame my friend, you have been shown time and time again to be
lying about the practices of islam and yet you still defend it. I admire
how you constantly try to save a sinking ship. This is the malady of islam
for all to see, and Lomax has been afflicted big time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Lomax Question
At 07:36 PM 12/24/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Quite honestly, this is the first time I've heard of FGM. After my first
google, I found out what it was and was taken aback by the practice. This
sort of retrograde practice of course is typical of islam. This is a
tribal tradition. When women are property, you can pretty much do
anything to them.
Jojo never heard of it before, but immediately we get his opinions. FGM is
not a "Muslim practice," and it is indeed "tribal tradition," of many
tribes, mostly in Africa. Christian, Muslim, animist.
Al-Azhar recently issued a fatwa (you know, you've heard of fatwas) that
FGM is not required in Islam, and most Muslim groups are condemning it.
What was *allowed* in Islam, by a certain tradition, wasn't what is called
FGM, except that it might technically be classified with it, confusing the
statistics. The tradition that allowed it also made it clear that it was
not any kind of obligation, nor was it stated to be beneficial.
It was simply a tribal tradition that wasn't obliterated, as some were
(like burying female children -- which sounds awful, and it was. However,
it wasn't *stupid*. Pre-Islamic Mecca had a population problem, and you
don't control the size of future generations by controlling the number of
males. A number of cultures facing resource limits practiced female
infanticide and polyandry, and they go tother, for obvious reasons.
Polyandry was also a tribal practice that was eliminated.
What was allowed was harmless, done properly. Less painful than normal
male circumcision. But in some areas, particularly in Africa, and not as a
Muslim practice, infibulation and other major forms of circumcision,
clearly forbidden by Islam, were done.
No doubt, Lomax will spin and will say they will not do this in America.
But, if this is in Sharia law, they will most assuredly do this.
He's double wrong. Male circumcision is indeed Shari'a, but it's not
forced on anyone. Converts to Islam often come up with the question,
"When?" I heard a scholar say, "It's an obligation, but there is no
particular time and nobody is going to tell you when."
(The obligation comes from Abraham, it's essentially the same as with
Jews.)
Just imagining the conditions under sharia law is causing the hair on the
back of my neck to rise. It's worst than the worst horror movie, which to
me was "Zombies" which I saw when I was a child.
It was the first and only movie that caused me a sleepless night.
Sharia law is your real life zombies movie. Come to think about it,
sharia law would be worse than living under communism.
True terror: life with a bunch of neighbors like Jojo.
Zombie movie? This FGM thing is a great example. It's not a Muslim
practice, as such. It's practiced by *Christians* in Egypt and elsewhere,
I just wrote a comment on the original question, showing the practice by
Christians in Ethiopia. It's very old, pre-Islamic.
Heck no wonder, countries under sharia law, despite their obvious oil
wealth still do not have the same standard of freedom and standard of
living western "Christian" countries have.
Um. I've actually spent time with Saudis and others. They are human
beings. They adapt to conditions. It's happening all around the world.
Jojo is living in a parochial fantasy.
This my friends is the corruption of islam for all to see.
Jojo is demonstrating very effectively how he thinks.
Tell me, Jojo, is this what being Christian has done to you? It makes you
think like this?
(I don't really believe you are actually Christian. You certainly don't
act like it. But what church do you belong to? Maybe that's it. Is this
what your church does to people? Are there other people like you in your
church? If we want to think as well as you, where would we go?)
----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 4:28 PM
Subject: [Vo]:[OT] Lomax Question
Lomax,
You said ask. Well if Muslim law were adopted in the US, would this
include requirements of FGM for all young girls as practiced today in
Muslim countries? See " Egypt Demographic and Health Survey (EDHS). EDHS
also showed that 91 percent of all women in Egypt between the ages of 15
and 49 have undergone FGM. ".
Student
