On what evidence do you base your assertion that President Obama is a Muslim?
On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:39 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote: > No, I am not stating that the "President" is a muslim. I am stating that the > Usurper is a muslim. We currently don't have a legitimate president; we have > a usurper sitting on the throne. > > Why doesn't he just come clean? He could do this with a single 2 minute > phone call to the Hawaiian authorities to open access to his vault BC. He > can quickly end this controversy, establish his legitimacy, kill the Birther > movement and start the healing of the nation. He can do all that in 2 > minutes, yet he spends over 4 million dollars of Tax payer's money to block > access to this vault BC. Why block access to such an innocuous document? > WHY indeed? > > He won't because he can't. This is the pattern of a corrupt leader proped up > by a corrupt shadow government strengthened by corrupt demonic forces. > > > Jojo > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "de Bivort Lawrence" <ldebiv...@gmail.com> > To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 12:40 AM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies > > > Are you stating that the President is Muslim? > > > On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote: > >> Lomax does not understand that this Executive Order covers anything related >> to previous and current presidents. Anything about this current president >> is covered by this order. IF anyone wants to release information about >> Obama's BC, they have to go thru Eric Holder (the corrupt right henchman) or >> thru the Presidential counsel; for approval. This is the veil of corruption >> surrounding this usurper-in-thief and people like lomax are gving him a >> pass. I'm not surprised as lies are OK for Lomax as long as it helps prop >> up his illegitimate usurper muslim president. >> >> >> >> Jojo >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" >> <a...@lomaxdesign.com> >> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>; <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:59 AM >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies >> >> >>> At 03:50 AM 12/27/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: >>>> Here is the actual Executive Order that Obama issued immediately after he >>>> took power. The Media spins this as rescinding a Bush Executive Order >>>> 13233. But in fact, it is a new Executive Order to specifically require >>>> his approval before release of any information, obstensively because of >>>> "Executive Privelege". >>> >>> Obstentively? Took me a moment. Ostensibly. >>> >>> "Release of any information." Sure. "Any information" of what type, where >>> located, and by whom? >>> >>>> Now, Lomax, who is lying now. Do I get my apology now? What exactly have >>>> you debunked? .... you blatant liar. >>> >>> No, no apology, unless you show that the Executive Order does what you >>> claimed. I not only never claimed that this *particular* Exectuive Order >>> did not exist, I linked to it and discussed it specifically. >>> >>> [...] >>>> Go Ahead, take you best spin shoot. Let's see what spin and lies you'll >>>> come up next. >>> >>> You've acknowledged all along that what you are doing is spinning. You have >>> acknowledged that you say things that aren't true to create a dramatic >>> image. That's "spin." But I'll give you a fair chance here. >>> >>> You claimed that this document is an Executive Order which blocks access to >>> Obama's vault BC. Below, I quote a bit of what I wrote, to which you are >>> responding. I wrote, in more than one way, "If he fails to apologize, or >>> point to an actual order doing what he claimed, he is, effectively, a liar." >>> >>> Okay, how does this Order do that? What would cause this document to apply >>> to birth records held by Hawaiian state officials? It's all here right in >>> front of us, no more research should be necessary. >>> >>> But, also for the record, I'll say it again: There is no Executive Order >>> that blocks public access to the "vault" birth certificate. That access is >>> blocked by Hawaiian law on the privacy of records (as is true, I think, in >>> all states). Some access to records is blocked by HIPAA, a federal law >>> relating to the privacy of medical records, and there are other laws >>> protecting the privacy of certain records, but no relevant Executive Order >>> that does what Jojo claims. >>> >>> He lied, and he is continuing to lie. But ... his turn. >>> >>>> THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary >>>> >>>> For Immediate Release January 21, 2009 >>>> >>>> EXECUTIVE ORDER 13489 - - - - - - - >>>> >>>> PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS >>>> >>>> By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the >>>> laws of the United States of America, and in order to establish policies >>>> and procedures governing the assertion of executive privilege by incumbent >>>> and former Presidents in connection with the release of Presidential >>>> records by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) >>>> pursuant to the Presidential Records Act of 1978, it is hereby ordered as >>>> follows: Section 1. Definitions. For purposes of this order: >>>> >>>> (a) "Archivist" refers to the Archivist of the United States or his >>>> designee. (b) "NARA" refers to the National Archives and Records >>>> Administration. >>>> >>>> (c) "Presidential Records Act" refers to the Presidential Records Act, 44 >>>> U.S.C. 2201-2207. >>>> >>>> (d) "NARA regulations" refers to the NARA regulations implementing the >>>> Presidential Records Act, 36 C.F.R. Part 1270. >>>> >>>> (e) "Presidential records" refers to those documentary materials >>>> maintained by NARA pursuant to the Presidential Records Act, including >>>> Vice Presidential records. >>>> >>>> (f) "Former President" refers to the former President during whose term or >>>> terms of office particular Presidential records were created. >>>> >>>> (g) A "substantial question of executive privilege" exists if NARA's >>>> disclosure of Presidential records might impair national security >>>> (including the conduct of foreign relations), law enforcement, or the >>>> deliberative processes of the executive branch. >>>> >>>> (h) A "final court order" is a court order from which no appeal may be >>>> taken. >>>> >>>> Sec. 2. Notice of Intent to Disclose Presidential Records. (a) When the >>>> Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his >>>> intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the >>>> NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines provided by the >>>> incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, >>>> the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of >>>> executive privilege. However, nothing in this order is intended to affect >>>> the right of the incumbent or former Presidents to invoke executive >>>> privilege with respect to materials not identified by the Archivist. >>>> Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the >>>> President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General >>>> (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). >>>> The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the >>>> former President or his designated representative. (b) Upon the passage of >>>> 30 days after receipt by the incumbent and former Presidents of a notice >>>> of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Archivist may disclose the >>>> records covered by the notice, unless during that time period the >>>> Archivist has received a claim of executive privilege by the incumbent or >>>> former President or the Archivist has been instructed by the incumbent >>>> President or his designee to extend the time period for a time certain and >>>> with reason for the extension of time provided in the notice. If a shorter >>>> period of time is required under the circumstances set forth in section >>>> 1270.44 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist shall so indicate in the >>>> notice. >>>> >>>> Sec. 3. Claim of Executive Privilege by Incumbent President. (a) Upon >>>> receipt of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the >>>> Attorney General (directly or through the Assistant Attorney General for >>>> the Office of Legal Counsel) and the Counsel to the President shall review >>>> as they deem appropriate the records covered by the notice and consult >>>> with each other, the Archivist, and such other executive agencies as they >>>> deem appropriate concerning whether invocation of executive privilege is >>>> justified. >>>> >>>> (b) The Attorney General and the Counsel to the President, in the exercise >>>> of their discretion and after appropriate review and consultation under >>>> subsection (a) of this section, may jointly determine that invocation of >>>> executive privilege is not justified. The Archivist shall be notified >>>> promptly of any such determination. >>>> >>>> (c) If either the Attorney General or the Counsel to the President >>>> believes that the circumstances justify invocation of executive privilege, >>>> the issue shall be presented to the President by the Counsel to the >>>> President and the Attorney General. >>>> >>>> (d) If the President decides to invoke executive privilege, the Counsel to >>>> the President shall notify the former President, the Archivist, and the >>>> Attorney General in writing of the claim of privilege and the specific >>>> Presidential records to which it relates. After receiving such notice, the >>>> Archivist shall not disclose the privileged records unless directed to do >>>> so by an incumbent President or by a final court order. >>>> >>>> Sec. 4. Claim of Executive Privilege by Former President. (a) Upon receipt >>>> of a claim of executive privilege by a living former President, the >>>> Archivist shall consult with the Attorney General (through the Assistant >>>> Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel), the Counsel to the >>>> President, and such other executive agencies as the Archivist deems >>>> appropriate concerning the Archivist's determination as to whether to >>>> honor the former President's claim of privilege or instead to disclose the >>>> Presidential records notwithstanding the claim of privilege. Any >>>> determination under section 3 of this order that executive privilege shall >>>> not be invoked by the incumbent President shall not prejudice the >>>> Archivist's determination with respect to the former President's claim of >>>> privilege. >>>> >>>> (b) In making the determination referred to in subsection (a) of this >>>> section, the Archivist shall abide by any instructions given him by the >>>> incumbent President or his designee unless otherwise directed by a final >>>> court order. The Archivist shall notify the incumbent and former >>>> Presidents of his determination at least 30 days prior to disclosure of >>>> the Presidential records, unless a shorter time period is required in the >>>> circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations. Copies >>>> of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the >>>> President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General >>>> (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). >>>> The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the >>>> former President or his designated representative. >>>> >>>> Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed >>>> to impair or otherwise affect: >>>> >>>> (i) authority granted by law to a department or agency, or the head >>>> thereof; or (ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and >>>> Budget relating to budget, administrative, or legislative proposals. >>>> >>>> (b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and >>>> subject to the availability of appropriations. (c) This order is not >>>> intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or >>>> procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the >>>> United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, >>>> employees, or agents, or any other person. >>>> >>>> Sec. 6. Revocation. Executive Order 13233 of November 1, 2001, is revoked. >>>> >>>> BARACK OBAMA >>>> >>>> THE WHITE HOUSE, January 21, 2009. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" >>>> <a...@lomaxdesign.com> >>>> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:51 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age >>>> >>>> >>>>> Conclusion, there is no such Executive Order. It appears that Jojo Jaro >>>>> believes birther myths, long after they have been conclusively and with >>>>> evidence debunked. If he fails to apologize, or point to an actual order >>>>> doing what he claimed, he is, effectively, a liar. >>> >>> Notice, the above is in reference to what was said below. Jojo doesn't >>> actually read what he responds to. It was a reference to an "Executive >>> Order to block access" to "vault records," i.e., the Hawaiian vault copy of >>> the original long form certificate. >>> >>> >>>>> [...] >>>>> At 02:24 PM 12/26/2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: >>>>>> At 01:07 AM 12/26/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: >>>>>>> Funny thing is, the new governor of Hawaii Ambercrombie - a democrat, >>>>>>> strong supporter of Obama, wanted to silence the birther movement once >>>>>>> and for all. So, he sought to dig into Obama's vault BC. Guess what? >>>>>>> Even he can't penetrate the veil of corruption Obama has put up to >>>>>>> block access to his vault records. Why is there an executive order to >>>>>>> block access to Obama's vault BC. >>>>>> >>>>>> Fascinating. Is there such an Executive Order? That would be quite odd. >>>>>> Legally, the President has no authority over Hawaiian officials, unless >>>>>> a federal issue could be shown. and this would not qualify. >>>>> >>>>> Jojo went on to repeat the Executive Order claim that Obama is preventing >>>>> access to the vault certificate. Is that true? Is there an "Executive >>>>> Order to block access." >>>>> >>>>> What can be found on this? >>> >>> and then I went into detail, with links.... >>> >> > >
