I am not sure I understand what you are suggesting. Does the piston return to its beginning point with each cycle? If so, at least a complete loop is covered which is the requirement.
Dave -----Original Message----- From: Eric Walker <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Dec 31, 2012 2:44 pm Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Papp and Water On Dec 31, 2012, at 10:40, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: I was trying to come up with any way that energy could be delivered by the Papp while leaving the gas cool. It occurs to me now that we may have made a simple problem into a difficult one. Our initial challenge is to find out whether the Papp mechanism is overunity by an obvious amount; ie, the effect is not a threshold one. We can start out with a simple popper hooked up to a flywheel like the one seen in Puppy Dog's video, where there is an arm that moves the wheel in only one direction. Now attach a chain to the wheel and use it to draw a sled with known weight across a surface of known friction with the sled. Energy in would be the integral over time of the power used to drive the system. Energy out would be a function of the distance the sled moved. Heating due to friction would be ignored to obtain a pessimistic lower bound. A two cylinder engine could be used in place of the popper if such an engine is available. Eric
