With regardd to the place of death of Aaron. This is what the Bible has to say
about it.
20:27 And Moses did as the LORD commanded: and they went up into mount Hor in
the sight of all the congregation. 20:28 And Moses stripped Aaron of his
garments, and put them upon Eleazar his son; and Aaron died there in the top of
the mount: and Moses and Eleazar came down from the mount. 20:29 And when all
the congregation saw that Aaron was dead, they mourned for Aaron thirty days,
even all the house of Israel." (Numbers 20:22-29 KJV)
33:37 And they removed from Kadesh, and pitched in mount Hor, in the edge of
the land of Edom.
33:38 And Aaron the priest went up into mount Hor at the commandment of the
LORD, and died there, in the fortieth year after the children of Israel were
come out of the land of Egypt, in the first day of the fifth month.
33:39 And Aaron was an hundred and twenty and three years old when he died in
mount Hor." (Numbers 33:37-39 KJV)
"10:6 And the children of Israel took their journey from Beeroth of the
children of Jaakan to Mosera: there Aaron died, and there he was buried; and
Eleazar his son ministered in the priest's office in his stead. 10:7 >From
thence they journeyed unto Gudgodah; and from Gudgodah to Jotbath, a land of
rivers of waters. 10:8 At that time the LORD separated the tribe of Levi, to
bear the ark of the covenant of the LORD, to stand before the LORD to minister
unto him, and to bless in his name, unto this day. 10:9 Wherefore Levi hath no
part nor inheritance with his brethren; the LORD is his inheritance, according
as the LORD thy God promised him." (Deuteronomy 10:6-9 KJV)
So, John is complaining that the Bible says two different locations for the
place of death of Aaron. In fact that would be true at first glance, until you
realize that Mosera (or Moseroth) is in the general area of Mount Hor. Just
like when we say "Yellowstone", it is a big place with many places.
When you read the verses carefully, you will realize that Aaron died on the top
of Mount Hor, he was brought down from the top and people mourned him for 30
days and he was buried in Mosera, which was within the vicinity of the base of
Mount Hor.
So, in fact, there is no contradiction.
NEXT!
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: Jojo Jaro
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] The Bible and the Copernican Revolution
Yes, we are discussing what the Bible says. Where in the Bible does it say
the sun revolves around the Earth? Where does it say the Earth is 6000 years
old? That is all I'm asking. IF you want to accept my challenge, show me
where the Bible says something that is categorically wrong.
So, you have a problem because it says in one place that Moses wrote the
tablets and then it says in another place that God wrote the tablets. Is this
the crux of your objection? It's funny cause if you are quibbling about the
exact person who had the pen in his hand (or chisel), you could have used a
better example from the Bible.
When someone helps me with my autobiography, someone like my secretary. Do
we say she wrote the autobiography because she was holding the actual pen (or
computer in our case)? Or do we say I wrote my autobiography? Both statements
are of course True. She wrote my autobiography because she was the one who
physically wrote (or typed), at the same time, I can say that I wrote my
autobiography because I provided the contents. My friend, you are quibbling
over a minor "figure of speech" issue. The Bible does use "figures of speech"
you know. Jesus Christ is not a chicken because he said he wanted to gather
Jerusalem under his wings.
Seems to me that this is a very weak objection. You can do better. Visit
some atheist web site and get some ideas from them. But please, do it one at a
time so that I can address it properly.
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] The Bible and the Copernican Revolution
On 2/01/2013 4:44 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
My friend, you can not debate with someone by putting-
the words in his mouth and proceed to demolish it. That a strawman
argument. I never believed in geocentrism
We were not supposed to be discussing what you *believed*. We were
supposed to be discussing what your Bible *says*.
Where in the Bible does it say 6000 years is the Earth's age.
It can be derived from Bible genealogies using rather simple arithmetic as
I am sure you know. You must have adopted some way to weasel around the
obvious meaning of words like "morning and evening" and "... lived xxx years
and begat ...".
Again, you can not put beliefs into someone and proceed to demolish it.
Faulty logic. I have never claimed the Earth is 6000 years old. Some of my
friends do, and we sometimes argue (discuss) it. But, really, even if I do,
what scientific fact - I mean real scientific fact, not conclusions and
conjectures and speculations, do you have to say that this is wrong. Yeah
yeah, I know about your shellfish study and your ice core data. At best they
are not "settled" science, just the opinion of some researcher.
It becomes obvious that any science that disagrees with your prejudice will
simply be called "unsettled" and "just someones opinion". But it also becomes
very obvious that the meaning of most of the statements in your Bible regarding
scientific issues is also "unsettled" and "just someones opinion"! So why
would anyone care any more for what your Bible says, than what science says? -
since what your Bible says is also just unsettled "conjectures and
speculations" that can be argued about ad-nauseum.
So regarding your supposed contradictions, you acknowledge that it is
difficult to "draw out" and yet you proclaim it as a contradiction. Something
is wrong with that thinking my friend.
This is hardly the forum for discussing Hebrew letters getting dropped from
names - particularly when you will only ignore any effort I put into it in much
the same way as you ignore anything else that you disagree with.
Did you decide who wrote on Moses' second set of tablets? Or where Aaron
died?
Yeah, just go ahead and weasle away. Most people do that when they been
found to be either lying or wrong.
