At 03:09 AM 1/3/2013, David Roberson wrote:
Jojo, I do not have control of the postings that these guys
produce. Most of the time they submit excellent subject manner and
on occasions it gets off topic as you say. Recently, most of their
postings seem to be acceptable and pretty much on subject or related
to LENR in some fashion.
You have hit a raw nerve with Abd and it is clear that he feels that
every post against his religion must be countered.
If that were so, my posting volume would be much greater than it is.
It seems odd to me that he seems so inclined, but maybe that is
part of his belief and he is performing an important duty in his
mind. You should let him off the hook to be fair. I know some
disgusting things have been stated about your beliefs as
well. Those guilty of this type of attack should realize that they
are not doing anyone a service this way and the behavior should
stop immediately.
I do not find it odd that Jojo responds to what he sees as insult to
himself or his beliefs. What is much more of a problem is that he is
so sensitive to "insult" that he perceives it when it's not there.
And, then, he *retailiates.* He's been explicit about this. He's said
that he'll keep it up until others stop insulting him. And then, when
others stop -- and they often have -- *he continues the response.*
I find that some off topic posts are educational and I would not be
aware of the subject unless someone like the two vortex members you
list were to toss them our way. On occasion I have felt that too
much bandwidth was being spent in this manner, but it usually clears
up fairly soon. I recall seeking termination of a couple of far off
discussions in the past.
I've noted at least one of those, in my coverage of the history of this affair.
I think your best plan of action would be to leave Abd alone for a
while and cease posting the terribly offensive statements about his
religion. If he brings up these issues again without provocation
then someone needs to go to his location and pull the power plug of
his computer.
Please! If I do that, I'd be sick and would need help.
Either that or arrange for him to seek professional care. So
once that goes away, then why not monitor the vortex for long
lasting off topic postings that you find offensive and let whoever
posts them know about your dissatisfaction.
The fellow has said again and again that he wants the "cycle of
insult" to stop, and he's promised to end it. He just promised that
again. As I recall, it was *within minutes* that he started this thread.
There was a time not long ago when the vortex was running smoothly
and I think that can be achieved again soon. We all need to have
folks of the various backgrounds and talents to consider our
ideas. I recall you making important contributions and hope to see
more of the same after things settle back to normal.
Jojo's subscription account may have been shared. There are two
different personalities shown. The account ([email protected]) is in
the name of Joseph Hao, but Jojo claims not to be Joseph. Definitely,
the *account* made reasonable and on-topic contributions. But *some
of the posts* -- even the very first one, showed a certain
combativeness that was missing from the truly substantial on-topic
posts. One time the jthao1 account posted here with the name being
Joseph Hao. It doesn't necessarily matter, but Bill's policy here
discouraged anonymous accounts, so I'd suggest, in fact, that Jojo
subscribe under a *real name.* Bill also recognizes that sometimes
this is not possible.
(However, Jojo could be identified, real-world, if someone had a
legal reason. His IP has been published. What he's doing may be
illegal where he lives, in the Philippines.)
I assume that Jed and SVJ will not see this posting since they have
blocked anything that has your name within according to what they
have written.
I don't know that SVJ did this, but he *unsubscribed.*
They are good guys and I value what they are contributing to the
group. Please give the vortex some time to clean itself up before
you continue with the offensive tittles and content. We might
loose the reason that we subscribe if many valued members flee.
If the issue is not resolved, this list is toast. I've seen what
happens to vibrant lists when an owner disappears. They die,
sometimes slowly, and they often become filled with spam. I don't
know if subscription services are still working for this list. Has
anyone subscribed in the last few weeks?
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Jojo Jaro <[email protected]>
To: vortex-l <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 2:07 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.
David, can you call for a moderation of the off-topic posts from
others. If the most blatant off-topic offenders would simply make a
small promise to moderate their incessant noise, that would be
enough to satisfy the main reason why I am posting off-topic posts
here. Note, I am not referring to off-topic posts that may be
slightly relevant, I am talking about off-topic posts that are
clearly irrelevant. I am doing this to give Jed a dose of his own
medicine. I am just "gabbing with friends" here and "making up the
rules as I go".
How about it? This solution is certainly simpler and more
straitforward than starting another list or filtering everybody who
responds to me.
I believe this proposal of mine is fair and equitable and good for
the community. How about it Jed and SVJ?
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:[email protected]>David Roberson
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.
Abd, is it possible for you to discuss these issues with him in
private? I find the titles of the threads offensive and to keep
seeing them over and over is beginning to wear on me.
I have a hard time believing that you must personally defend Islam
to this extent and did it occur to you that you are feeding fuel to
the fire over and over again?
I miss the good discussions that once were common on this site and
it would not surprise me to see many leave if this continues at the
present rate. Why not just let the insults pass and eventually they must end.
At times such as this I look back fondly to the posts of Mary and
Crude, at least they were related to the main subject and generally
not directly offensive.
This is at least the second time I have begged for a little civility
on this list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
To: vortex-l <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>;
vortex-l <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Jan 2, 2013 11:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.
Stewart and Rothwell don't realize the implications of leaving
seriously offensive posts in the Vortex archive, without response. I
am responding to only a few of Jojo's posts, he's been flooding the
list. After promising to stop, he posted 20 times here yesterday, and
28 times today, carrying on quite as before.
I responded seven times yesterday and seven today. (Direct responses
to Jojo). My responses will naturally become rarer and shorter.
Responding on VortexB-l is *useless.* The VortexB archive on Beatty's
web site is *inaccessible.*
I'm not engaged in a conversation with Jojo Jaro. That ended long
ago. I'm in a conversation with *others*, most of whom are not now
present. I would not bring this conversation here, it was brought
here, insistently, and it's maintained here because, I assume, of the
absence of Bill. If you really want to do something about that,
contact him. I've tried and so have others apparently. So far, no
response. I'm worried about him.
At 08:52 PM 1/2/2013, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>I agree 100%
>
>On Wednesday, January 2, 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Please remove this discussion to VortexB-L.
>
>
>I doubt that will happen. VortexB-l does not appear to be
>googleable. So from Jojo's point of view, it could be useless.
>
>
>I have already filtered out Jojo. So why don't YOU take this
>discussion to VortexB-L. Respond to him there, if you must. Or I
>will filter out you, too.
>
>Enough is enough.
>
>- Jed
