Because you have shown your disdain for me and my views, I will now treat your 
views with equal disdain.

Insults to my faith started from multiple members of this group long long long 
before I started insulting Lomax by telling the truth about his religion.

You might say there is nothing that leaking pen has posted in this post that 
would constitute an insult but you need to take his whole post history to 
properly evaluate his intent with this post.  Based on his hostile history to 
me, I have perceived this post to be an insult.  In fact, this is the 4th 
insult he has directed to me and this is the first time I am responding to him 
with an insult.


Jojo


PS, I have agreed to Mark's and David's reasonable proposal to stop the cycle 
of insults, and I have not insulted anyone, in fact, I have not posted for over 
12 hours now, and yet fresh insults continue to head my way.

My friends, I am not the problem here.




  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: leaking pen 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 1:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:something to consider


  there's a big difference between disdain for having a view, and suggesting 
that because you belong to a group, you must be a murdering pedophile bent on 
the destruction of other groups. 


  On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Jojo Jaro <[email protected]> wrote:

    Eric, I forgot to mention. 

    What would you do if you are the subject of constant insults and ridicule 
for your views?  Would you not lash out in retaliation?  Your bias is why I 
grow more instransigent each day.  You express "grave concern" that islam may 
be "assaulted" but express no equal concern that I have been insulted time and 
time again here for my beliefs in the Bible.

    Well you ask "what you would do if you were in Abd's situation".  Why don't 
you ask another equally valid question. "What would you do if you were in 
Jojo's position."

    This problem has a very very very simple solution you know.



    Jojo



      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Eric Walker 
      To: [email protected] 
      Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 2:02 PM
      Subject: [Vo]:something to consider


      I am starting this as a new thread because many people are starting to 
skip entire threads.  See my questions below.


      I wrote "If that's the best we can do for now, how to address Abd's 
pressing concern about having his background and religion subject to constant 
assault on this list?"  But really this is a concern that pertains to all of 
us.  We need a list that is hospitable to all people who can make a competent 
contribution.  (I do not mean *everybody*.  I do not mind in the slightest if 
list mods take action to make the list quite inhospitable to those who for 
whatever reason are too immature to contribute much of value.)


      Think about what you would do if you were in Abd's situation.  Perhaps 
you would just abide the assault quietly.  Perhaps you would leave the list.  
But that would not make the environment any more hospitable for others in shoes 
similar to yours.  You may not respond in the way that Abd has.  But we should 
appreciate that he's being put in a very awkward position and that he has 
broader interests in mind.


      Eric




      On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Eric Walker <[email protected]> 
wrote: 


        On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax 
<[email protected]> wrote: 


          Oh, I'm quivering, shaking with the possibility that *Jed Rothwell* 
might filter me out.

          I am not going to subscribe to VortexB-l. This is supposedy a 
moderated list. If it stays unmoderated, I won't be here long.


        Hate to say it, but the troll is starting to win.  People are starting 
to lose patience with one another.  I think Steve Johnson has been on this list 
since early days.


        Any word on Bill?  Is he ok?


        How long do we suffer the present situation until we reconstitute under 
something like Google Groups, with Terry or another longtimer as mod? Or should 
everyone who can't stand the situation add he who shall not be named to a 
killfile?  If that's the best we can do for now, how to address Abd's pressing 
concern about having his background and religion subject to constant assault on 
this list?


        Eric


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