"do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult" 1 Pet. 3:9 NIV
________________________________ From: leaking pen [mailto:itsat...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:08 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:something to consider I'm pointing out an inconsistency in a particular simile you made. Please, tell me if I have misrepresented your views Alex Hollins On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com<mailto:jth...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Because you have shown your disdain for me and my views, I will now treat your views with equal disdain. Insults to my faith started from multiple members of this group long long long before I started insulting Lomax by telling the truth about his religion. You might say there is nothing that leaking pen has posted in this post that would constitute an insult but you need to take his whole post history to properly evaluate his intent with this post. Based on his hostile history to me, I have perceived this post to be an insult. In fact, this is the 4th insult he has directed to me and this is the first time I am responding to him with an insult. Jojo PS, I have agreed to Mark's and David's reasonable proposal to stop the cycle of insults, and I have not insulted anyone, in fact, I have not posted for over 12 hours now, and yet fresh insults continue to head my way. My friends, I am not the problem here. ----- Original Message ----- From: leaking pen<mailto:itsat...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:something to consider there's a big difference between disdain for having a view, and suggesting that because you belong to a group, you must be a murdering pedophile bent on the destruction of other groups. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com<mailto:jth...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Eric, I forgot to mention. What would you do if you are the subject of constant insults and ridicule for your views? Would you not lash out in retaliation? Your bias is why I grow more instransigent each day. You express "grave concern" that islam may be "assaulted" but express no equal concern that I have been insulted time and time again here for my beliefs in the Bible. Well you ask "what you would do if you were in Abd's situation". Why don't you ask another equally valid question. "What would you do if you were in Jojo's position." This problem has a very very very simple solution you know. Jojo ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Walker<mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 2:02 PM Subject: [Vo]:something to consider I am starting this as a new thread because many people are starting to skip entire threads. See my questions below. I wrote "If that's the best we can do for now, how to address Abd's pressing concern about having his background and religion subject to constant assault on this list?" But really this is a concern that pertains to all of us. We need a list that is hospitable to all people who can make a competent contribution. (I do not mean *everybody*. I do not mind in the slightest if list mods take action to make the list quite inhospitable to those who for whatever reason are too immature to contribute much of value.) Think about what you would do if you were in Abd's situation. Perhaps you would just abide the assault quietly. Perhaps you would leave the list. But that would not make the environment any more hospitable for others in shoes similar to yours. You may not respond in the way that Abd has. But we should appreciate that he's being put in a very awkward position and that he has broader interests in mind. Eric On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com<mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.com>> wrote: Oh, I'm quivering, shaking with the possibility that *Jed Rothwell* might filter me out. I am not going to subscribe to VortexB-l. This is supposedy a moderated list. If it stays unmoderated, I won't be here long. Hate to say it, but the troll is starting to win. People are starting to lose patience with one another. I think Steve Johnson has been on this list since early days. Any word on Bill? Is he ok? How long do we suffer the present situation until we reconstitute under something like Google Groups, with Terry or another longtimer as mod? Or should everyone who can't stand the situation add he who shall not be named to a killfile? If that's the best we can do for now, how to address Abd's pressing concern about having his background and religion subject to constant assault on this list? Eric
