Robin, do you actually have to check to see if it gets cooler? Would it not be necessary for this to happen if heat energy is taken out of the system and put into the battery in the form of chemical energy?
The COE would force the cooling unless I am mistaken. Dave -----Original Message----- From: mixent <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:01 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Does This System Beat Laws of Thermodynamics? In reply to David Roberson's message of Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:03:07 -0500 (EST): Hi, [snip] >Robin, you are right, I was afraid that I would break that nasty thermodynamic law and become confined within a black hole. > > >I was actually hoping that the solar cell argument would help me understand >why the heat engine limitations exist. Now, I am a bit confused. It is just too easy to break that rule and get away with it. I was hoping for a good challenge. > > >So why not just harvest the heat energy around us and have that perpetual motion machine that we would all desire? All we have to do is to come up with a process that converts the local IR into DC and be on the way. > > >Something is wrong with this picture unless the patent office needs to reconsider their ban on patents that suggest perpetual motion. Maybe not after a little consideration, sooner or most likely much later all of the heat will be harvested and the patent office wins. No perpetual motion is possible. I think that the minimum energy that will activate a solar cell is in the infra-red, though it obviously depends on the bad gap of the semiconductor used. If you can get hold of one with a small band gap, it might make an interesting experiment to see if it gets colder in an insulated closed container while charging a battery. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
