Ed,

I agree (I think).
My hope is that the Li-battery industry with a projected market in the
tens of billion$ should have strong incentive to produce a safe product.

Imagine the law suits if a new "improved" battery brings down one (or two)
jumbo jets - not to mention lost revenue from people who stop flying.

- Lou Pagnucco

> I find these discussions about LENR to be an amazing example of how
> people can have beliefs that are in direct conflict with each other
> and even with reality itself. Let me give two examples.
>
> First, most people believe Rossi is a fraud and cannot be believed,
> but they will nevertheless believe him when he claims his heat results
> from transmutation of Ni. They believe him when he claims Cu is the
> result and now when Fe is suggested.  Yet, absolutely no evidence
> exists for these claims. Nevertheless, long and detailed discussions
> result.
>
> Second, materials of all kinds have been subjected to conditions
> having a huge range of values. Temperature from near absolute zero to
> millions of degrees have been used. Pressures from vacuum to those at
> the center of the earth have been applied. Yet, nuclear reactions are
> not initiated, except when a very rare condition is present.
> Scientists rightly have concluded that chemical conditions cannot
> cause a nuclear reaction and for very good reasons. Nevertheless,
> discussions here pretend that this experience does not exist.  People
> suggest and seriously discuss how a nuclear reaction might be
> initiated without any concern for this huge experience.
>
> As Robin succinctly summarizes "It surprises me that it doesn't happen
> more often."  My surprise is that this statement even needs to be
> made. I know that reality has creased to exist in the political world,
> but is this also true in science as discussed on the internet.  Yes,
> we do not know everything about Nature, but we know a lot. Yes, new
> ideas are useful and fun, but must they have no relationship to what
> has been discovered over centuries?
>
> As Lou suggests, we need a method that produces the effect reliably.
> This goal is being sought but it must be based on a useful
> understanding of the process. A useful understanding must be based on
> what has been observed and how we now know Nature to function. Unless
> these two requirements are applied, the effort to get this
> understanding becomes a waste of time.  Without the understanding,
> trial and error becomes the only available experimental method.  So,
> please make a serious effort to add to the understanding.
>
> Ed Storms
> [...]

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