Alan:

Perhaps you can explain something to me. With the device in the ambient laboratory atmosphere, it loses a certain number of watts of heat to the air, but this is subject to variation from drafts and so forth. But even so, it is still possible to control the e-cat by modulating the electrical input.

Now consider an insulated furnace equipped with cooling tubes. The device still loses the exact same number of watts to the cooling coils that it previously lost to the ambient air, only now the heat losses are controlled and measurable using ordinary calorimetry. Why is the control problem any better or worse? You can still modulate the heating power exactly as before, and the losses are exactly the same as they were before. The only difference is that you no longer need to make assumptions about emissivity and convection currents.

Duncan

On 5/26/2013 1:14 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote:
From: "Duncan Cumming" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 12:53:45 PM

  A few days of self sustaining running (cooling only without
electrical input) would be pretty convincing. Use electrical heaters
only for starting the reaction.
I think it's been pretty conclusively demonstrated that the eCat operates in a narrow band of 
stability. (See the November melt-down, for example). Lewan's "self-running" test showed 
a peak and then a decay -- and certainly wouldn't have lasted "a few days". Make the peak 
too high, and you've lost control.

Rossi has apparently found a way of controlling the reaction, in a range up to 
COP=6, by stimulating the reaction in a series of rise-and-decay bursts.

Siegel on 
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/05/21/the-e-cat-is-back-and-people-are-still-falling-for-it/
 demands a closed-loop test.  But with a COP of 6, how are you going to get the 
feedback? (Turbines are being tested, but not yet formally announced).

So ... you're left with thermoelectric, at what .. 10% efficiency? So to prove the 
"impossible" eCat you have to violate the laws of thermodynamics.

The gas-fired eCat is still a mystery. In addition to the thermal input, does it still need 
"pulses" or "waveforms?"

In my opinion, we're left with either wiring fakes (eg coax, or double-running 
wires to hide the current), or DC.

DC can, and should have been checked, on the input lines. Preferably with 
in-line resistors, rather than current loops.

Both of these (wiring or other power fakes) are easily eliminated by using a 
motor generator.

Heck, even COAL plants take their control energy from the Grid.



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