OK Harry, perhaps I took his comment the wrong way. I value your ideas and
hope that you keep spreading them my direction. There is no place on this list
for personal insults.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Harry Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 1:46 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Spice model explains eCat non-exponential waveform, supports
David Roberson's linear-response theory
dave,
I am not offended.
I find his reaction kinda funny.
On this list we are allowed to think outside our respective disciplines... or
self-disciplines ;-)
harry
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:29 AM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote:
Harry, please do not be offended by that guy. Remember, I was not able to
teach him elementary electronic theory.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Harry Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 1:19 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Spice model explains eCat non-exponential waveform, supports
David Roberson's linear-response theory
Please read what I write.
I drew an analogy between the two types of circuits diagrams.
Harry
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Andrew <andrew...@att.net> wrote:
I think you are ridiculously irrational. Look at the circuit diagram. What
precisely is wrong with you? That you are not an EE and cannot interpret the
"funny symbols"? Good grief. There sure are some ripe steamers on this list.
Roberson was bad enough. Then there's ...ah fergeddit.
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Harry Veeder
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Spice model explains eCat non-exponential waveform,
supports David Roberson's linear-response theory
I think you are bluffing.
harry
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Andrew <andrew...@att.net> wrote:
It's a capacitor in parallel with a resistor. I am underwhelmed.
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Harry Veeder
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Spice model explains eCat non-exponential waveform,
supports David Roberson's linear-response theory
The diagram reminds me of constructions consisting of springs and
dashpots in series and parallel which are used to model viscoelastic
materials.
see e.g.
http://gertrude-old.case.edu/276/materials/5.fig/05.htm6.gif
http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0023643808000790-gr1.jpg
His circuit diagram could be considered an electric model of force
interaction at the atomic scale within the Ecat's fuel.
harry
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Andrew <andrew...@att.net> wrote:
Let's make sure I understand these 4 plots. I understand your diagram
thus:
The blue square wave goes through your toy model and emerges as the
green double exponential.
The blue triangular wave goes through your toy model and emerges as the
green curve that looks very like the power curve in the report.
The toy model describes a thermal simulation which translates
electrical input to the device to radiant power output.
OK so far?
Assuming yes, here's what I think you've shown. The control box
consumes power as a square wave (which is what the report measures on
the input side), and outputs a triangular wave to the device. The
device's output power profile (radiant heat) comes out as per the
report. Bazinga.
The only problem is that the cable between the control box and the
device contains "secrets". That's your next reverse-engineering mission
:)
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Fletcher" <a...@well.com>
To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Spice model explains eCat non-exponential waveform,
supports David Roberson's linear-response theory
>> From: "Andrew" <andrew...@att.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 4:53:45 PM
>> That's a nice piece of reverse engineering - Kudos. My only issue
>> with it is
>> the plot in the report, which definitely shows square waves.
>> Mind
>> you, these
>> were measured on the input side of the control box. So it's possible
>> you've uncovered a secret about the actual drive waveform.
>
> The square waves are the INPUT stimulus. The wavy line (eg plot 8) is
> the OUTPUT power.
>
> But the general shape will be similar.
>
> (I displayed voltage ... equivalent to temperature. I still have
> lots to do.
>
