My point Axil, is that the authors have no idea what they are talking
about. This confusion is common and results in a great deal of
confusion about how cold fusion works. Unless this confusion is
eliminated from discussion, no agreement is possible. This paper
simply adds to the confusion, which many other papers have done as well.
Ed
On Jul 7, 2013, at 10:08 AM, Axil Axil wrote:
The paper says that the experimenters are claiming cold fusion.
There is no mixing of fusion definitions involved in this paper to
my understanding of it.
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Edmund Storms
<stor...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
That is not a useful criteria because the Lawson criteria applies to
a plasma and to a reaction that results in the hot fusion products,
i.e. neutrons, tritium, etc. Cold fusion does not occur in plasma
and results in helium without kinetic energy. The reaction is
defined as LENR only if the conditions and reaction products fit the
conditions on which the definition is based. You are not free to
change the definition to suit your personal beliefs.
Ed
On Jul 7, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Axil Axil wrote:
I am drawing a distinction between hot fusion and LENR in terms of
the "Lawson criterion". Specifically, if a fusion reaction cannot
be characterized in terms of plasma density, plasma confinement
time and plasma temperature, then the reaction is LENR.
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hot fusion is a nuclear reaction in which two or more atomic nuclei
collide at very high speed and join to form a new type of atomic
nucleus of compressing matter to high temperatures at high
densities as defined by the to the Lawson criterion,
In nuclear fusion research, the Lawson criterion, first derived on
fusion reactors (initially classified) by John D. Lawson in 1955
and published in 1957, is an important general measure of a system
that defines the conditions needed for a fusion reactor to reach
ignition, that is, that the heating of the plasma by the products
of the fusion reactions is sufficient to maintain the temperature
of the plasma against all losses without external power input. As
originally formulated the Lawson criterion gives a minimum required
value for the product of the plasma (electron) density ne and the
"energy confinement time" . Later analyses suggested that a more
useful figure of merit is the "triple product" of density,
confinement time, and plasma temperature T. The triple product also
has a minimum required value, and the name "Lawson criterion" often
refers to this inequality.
You are consistent at least; you had the same mindset as
demonstrated here when you described the LeClair experiment as some
other type of hot fusion.
The LeClair experiment is demonstrating a LENR reaction no matter
what LeClair thinks is causing it.
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Edmund Storms
<stor...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
If we cannot even agree about what the term LENR means or which
phenomenon it describes, I see no hope in arriving at any common
understanding. Please, can you make an effort to agree on some
basic ideas so that the discussion can move forward? We are dealing
with two different phenomenon. One uses high applied energy from
various sources and the other requires no applied energy. One
results in neutrons when deuterium is used, The other results in
helium when deuterium is used. Can you at least acknowledge that
these two different reactions occur?
Ed
On Jul 7, 2013, at 8:20 AM, Axil Axil wrote:
It seems to me that the reaction mechanism of the experiment
referenced in this thread is electrostatic in nature relating to
high voltage causation of fusion.
To draw a comparison, this is identical to the mechanism used in
the Proton-21 experimental series.
Since Proton-21 is considered a cold fusion or more properly
termed a LENR experiment, so to this referenced experiment should
be termed a LENR experiment.
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Edmund Storms
<stor...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
This paper makes the common mistake of mixing hot- and cold-
fusion. These are two separate and independent phenomenon. They
are not related except both are nuclear reactions involving
fusion. However, the conditions required for initiation and the
nuclear products are entirely different. As long as hot- and cold-
fusion are considered in the same discussion, no progress will be
made in understanding cold fusion.
Ed
On Jul 7, 2013, at 2:31 AM, David ledin wrote:
Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion
experiment
http://fire.pppl.gov/cyrstal_fusion_nature.pdf
