The radiation from hot fusion is unambiguous and well known. A source of energy that does not produce this radiation when hydrogen is present, but nevertheless is nuclear, is defined as LENR. Of course, the definition I gave has to fit on a slide. The details would be added verbally. Nevertheless, it defines the clear difference between hot and cold fusion. That is all I'm asking people to acknowledge. The definition does not require cold fusion to be understood. The definition only shows where to look for the explanation. Hot fusion is not the place to look.

Ed
On Jul 7, 2013, at 1:03 PM, Bob Higgins wrote:

It seems to me that for this definition to work, even as a phenomenological definition, something more would need to be added regarding the "expected radiation". For example, one could say "without the radiation expected from previous experiments in hot fusion". However, clarifying it this way implies we have an appropriate definition of "hot fusion" that is amenable to distinguishing from cold fusion or LENR, or at least limiting its scope. It seems that a reasonable definition of cold fusion needs a companion re-definition of hot fusion.

For example, could hot fusion be described as being between 2 or more nuclei, each being kinetically unconstrained with 6 degrees of freedom within the atomic scale? Of course, some degrees of freedom could be degenerate in symmetric nuclei. This would seem to apply fine to a plasma. As the nuclei approach each other within an atomic radius, externally applied fields would be insignificant in the force balance on the nuclei.

While it seems we know this to be true for hot fusion, the converse of this cannot necessarily be used to describe cases of cold fusion because we don't really know the mechanism yet (hence the need for a macroscopic definition). But at least it begins by limiting the scope of hot fusion.

On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Edmund Storms <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> What are we talking about?
> (cold fusion [CF], LENR, CANR, LANR, CMNS, Fleischmann-Pons Effect)
> A nuclear process initiated on rare
> occasions in apparently ordinary
> material without application of
> significant energy that generates
> heat and nuclear products without
> expected radiation when any
> isotope of hydrogen is present.


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