note that WWF+Greenpeace+(earth friend?) is worth 1Billion per year, plus
benevolent and free journalists. You can add to that all the
green-business, renewable energies, EU and UN research funding focused now
on that (to a point it is ridiculous)...

I won't even be surprised if the guardian was not relaying unverified data,
lying and exaggerating, knowing that no opposition could talk in public. I
don't see the 100milion in the ridiculously underfunded critics I see.
Florida sugar industry is better funded.

I agree there are clear errors in many climatoskeptics claims.

however there are clear frauds, lies, overs confidence, manipulation of
peer review, terrorism against dissenters, vested interest, trillions of
investment, on warming side.

guess why they don't start the temperature in 1800 ? because it will be
clear it is warming  (yest it, denialist are wrong) as usual since 200
years, with regular pause, like in the 40s, or now.

the situation is complicated, and like on cold fusion we should be careful
when there are trillion of business, billion of research, ideology not far
from religion, over funded NGO, call to burn and ban the dissenters as
fraudsters.

What happen to report41 and Oriani, happened many time because of IPCC
no-dissenting-allowed policy, enforced again by nature&Science, and proven
by Climategate, which as an IT expert I'm convinced is an internal leak by
a Snowden/Banning of climate.

I follow Judith Curry who was consensual until she realized she have broken
her ethic for the good of "the team". Her position is moderate, it is that
this claims are over confident, and that very few can be said.

today the mainstream climatologist (not the public evangelist, who like the
Pope will be the last to admit facts) start to push that
- the climate sensibility was exaggerated by a factor 2 (already much lower
than what doomers say to media)
- the models are all wrong, definitively wrong
- they underestimate factors that the skeptics were pushing since long (a
little too much I agree, but they face facine equally dishonest bias by
mainstream).
- there are better solution that the one that have been pushed since long

all that domain is rotten. rotten like big physics, like politics, like
NGO, like big science, like big funding, like greenenergy fashion, like
media...

they may be right, but by accident.

the oil companies fund the IPCC and greenpeace (call that Stockholm
syndrom, racket or submission to the real power). if billionaires fund
anti-IPCC association, it is because companies can only fund IPCC-friend of
be accused of crime against humanity.

"Type I: Overestimations of the group — its power and morality

   1. *Illusions of invulnerability* creating excessive optimism and
   encouraging risk taking.
   2. *Unquestioned belief* in the morality of the group, causing members
   to ignore the consequences of their actions.

Type II: Closed-mindedness

   1. 
*Rationalizing<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_(making_excuses)>
    warnings* that might challenge the group's assumptions.
   2. *Stereotyping <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype>* those who
   are opposed to the group as weak, evil, biased, spiteful, impotent, or
   stupid.

Type III: Pressures toward uniformity

   1. *Self-censorship <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-censorship>* of
   ideas that deviate from the apparent group consensus.
   2. *Illusions of unanimity* among group members, silence is viewed as
   agreement.
   3. *Direct pressure* to conform placed on any member who questions the
   group, couched in terms of "disloyalty"
   4. *Mind guards*— self-appointed members who shield the group from
   dissenting information.

Groupthink, resulting from the symptoms listed above, results in defective
decision-making. That is, consensus-driven decisions are the result of the
following practices of
groupthinking[11]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink#cite_note-Kamau-11>

   1. Incomplete survey of alternatives
   2. Incomplete survey of objectives
   3. Failure to examine risks of preferred choice
   4. Failure to reevaluate previously rejected alternatives
   5. Poor information search
   6. Selection bias <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias> in
   collecting information
   7. Failure to work out contingency plans."


if you follow the controversy you see exactly that.
ask Judith Curry, she describe all for that from inside.
what Climategate express is nothing else.
add some public claims to put the last nail on the coffin

anyway, LENR solve all.



2013/9/10 John Berry <[email protected]>

> First I saw this, how attractive to think that maybe global warming isn't
> happening...
>
>
> http://www.naturalnews.com/041981_global_warming_computer_models_cooling.html
>
> But that seemed like a fantasy, and I saw:
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/sep/09/climate-change-arctic-sea-ice-delusions
>
> How do these global warming deniers exist?  See:
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/feb/14/funding-climate-change-denial-thinktanks-network
>
> As for what should happen to the people who fund such propaganda, well I
> think the French did a bit of it in their revolution.
>

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