Steve,
Yes, but I've wrapped myself around this axle before assuming
0,0,0,0 as the absolute ground state when in fact the time coordinate can
actually still be reduced beyond what we would assume to be the baseline of
deep space, we call them warps, the opposite of a relativistic well where time
from our perspective speeds up instead of slowing down like it does for a well
or near luminal velocity. IMHO you can employ mass in the form of nano geometry
to segregates virtual particles via quantum effects into concentrated zones of
higher and lower density. My gut feeling is that the longer wavelengths /
larger virtual particles supposedly disallowed by Casimir geometry are actually
still present inside the cavity but actually reshape that pocket of space time
such that they get more space in exchange for a smaller base unit of time. This
"relativistic interpretation" of Casimir effect would explain anomalous half
lives of radioactive gases of both varieties according to the gases affinity to
migrate thru one zone in favor of the other. To date most claims of anomalous
half lives are based on bulk measurements. I anxiously await an experiment that
carefully measures individual radioactive decay of earmarked gas atoms after
prolonged circulation thru casimir geometry.
Note.. I am out on a zero point limb here even by vortex standards so take my
opinion with a grain of salt,
Fran
From: Steve Wallace [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:01 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Time, Mass, Gravity
Ahhh, that helps me... I think. If I understand it correctly, even for atomic
clocks, time is a perception issue for the external observer. Is this a correct
statement? A starting point for observing time would be in ideal vacuum,
ideally away from object with mass, at that point, the observer would
theoretically observe/perceive relative time changes from gravity?
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Roarty, Francis X
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The gyroscope never lost energy from the perspective of a local observer who is
also unaware of any time dilation without use of external measurements... The
frame only appears contracted and slower from our frame of observation because
it is displaced into the 4th dimension.
From: David Roberson [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:33 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Time, Mass, Gravity
To slow down the gyroscope you would need to apply a retarding force. Any
energy loss would show up as an increase of energy of the system that applies
the retarding force.
In order to get your gyroscope into a higher position than it begins requires
you to apply a force against the gravitational field. The device that applies
this force must do work upon your scope.
The amount of work required for each direction of travel is equal provided the
final location and velocity of the gyroscope equals the starting condition. No
net energy would be consumed.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Wallace <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
To: vortex-l <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Thu, Nov 7, 2013 10:59 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Time, Mass, Gravity
I am trying to get my mind around a very difficult subject. I am devising
various mind experiments to help me understand it. So I thought I would pose my
first mind experiment to see if anyone has some insights that might help me.
This is my limited understanding of this part of the theory that applies to
this experiment. For an external observer, time slows down for an object that
approaches a large mass. I also understand that experiments have validated this
theory using atomic clocks. If the mass is large enough, such as a black hole,
time will theoretically stop, or nearly stop.
My mind experiment has to do with a larger macro type object, rather than the
vibrations of the atoms in an atomic clock. For this mind experiment I am using
a high speed, low friction gyroscope. If I understand the relationship between
mass and time for an external observer, the gyroscope should slow down as it
approaches a large mass and the rotations would return to normal speed when
pulled away from the mass. If this is the case, where does the energy go when
slowing down the gyroscope by approaching a mass, and where does the energy
come from to return the rotations to original speed when pulled away?
Steve W.
