*I suspect the reason W-L got so much traction is because it does away with
the Coulomb barrier problem (by fiat).  That is a very attractive thing to
hobbyists like me, who know enough about nuclear physics to know that
Coulomb repulsion is a major difficulty to be dealt with (I used to like
W-L, btw).*

Eric,

You are clearly part of the "conspiracy" to promote d+d fusion! j/k :).
Great points as always.

Regards,
John


On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Eric Walker <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Foks0904 . <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> And while W-L is likely smoke and mirrors, lack of neutron detection does
>> not refute the theory, because as W-L states their "Ultracold" Neutrons are
>> captured so quickly as to evade detection. Convenient, no?
>>
>
> Even the fact that the neutrons are hypothesized to be very slow does not
> seem to be all that convenient upon further reflection.  The amount of
> neutrons needed to generate the kind of heat seen in CF experiments would
> be very high indeed -- let's say on the order of 10E12 per second, just to
> put a number on it.  The neutron capture cross section would need to be
> extremely large in order for the nickel lattice sites to absorb all of
> those neutrons.  But the capture cross section is finite and is not
> arbitrarily large, and indeed nickel has a high "neutron optical
> potential," meaning that slow neutrons have an increased likelihood of
> bouncing off of nickel atoms [1].  Some of those neutrons are going to have
> to exit the system.
>
> If you have a ginormous number of neutrons being created per second, and
> even one percent are not captured, that is a lot of neutrons:  10E12 * 0.01
> = 10E10 per second.   I suspect, however, that 0.99 percent neutron capture
> is a wild and wonderful fantasy, and that the actual maximum capture cross
> section, even for nearly stationary neutrons, is far lower.  Those neutrons
> are going to tumble all over the place, thermalize with the environment,
> set off gamma rays as they interact with water and surely result in a lot
> of clicks on any nearby geiger counters.
>
> But assume for the moment that 99.99999999 percent of the neutrons are
> captured in a special W-L LENR reaction.  The reaction would need to be
> very special, because normally neutrons activate a host material, but these
> ones can't, because activation is not something that is generally seen in
> CF experiments.
>
> I suspect the reason W-L got so much traction is because it does away with
> the Coulomb barrier problem (by fiat).  That is a very attractive thing to
> hobbyists like me, who know enough about nuclear physics to know that
> Coulomb repulsion is a major difficulty to be dealt with (I used to like
> W-L, btw).
>
> Eric
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultracold_neutrons#Reflecting_materials
>
>

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