I have realized for many years that magnetism is just another way of observing moving electric charges. Even though the behavior of the underlying moving charges can be used to define how they effect other charges, it is more convenient to express the effects by invoking a magnetic field in many instances.
Dave -----Original Message----- From: H Veeder <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 3:42 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Magnetism doesn't exist On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:25 PM, John Berry <[email protected]> wrote: Except for when I have written it, I have never seen the words "Magnetism doesn't exist" written. But this confuses me because while the illusion of magnetism is pretty convincing we can all agree the expected forces in any magnetic situation are electric at each end (magnetic fields are created by and felt as electric fields orthogonal to the claimed magnetic field). And the expected so-called magnetic forces are predicted by the distortion of motion on electric fields. Each and every magnetic force/induction from magnetism can be expected by looking at how the electric fields are distorted through motion. And when I first figured that out, I thought it was just my idea, till the good folks on this list many years ago pointed out that all of this was known, that Special Relativity included precisely this. So given that the forces are expected without any magnetic field, just a complete (and complex) analysis of electric fields distorting from motion (vector sum analysis). And given that magnetic fields are only created by moving charges and only ever felt as a perpendicular electrical force. They why does no one else but me say "Magnetic fields do not exist!"?? This requires that motion also does not exist or is illusion. Harry Certainly they are a convincing and useful illusion. Sure, holding 2 permanent magnets can make holding this belief very hard, but but if the permanent magnets are replaced with electromagnets it is easy to see how all the expected forces and induction occurs from the moving electric fields pancaking, and the lines bending when feed AC. John For
