David, if I understand you, you are talking about if 2 co-moving electrons should be attracted or repelled?
In a wire it seems that it would be correct to model the electromagnetic field created by the 'stationary' protons which are moving from the electrons POV. This carries an additional interesting possibility to create negative impedance. If you consider an electron accelerating relative to positive charges, the magnetic field the electron sees from the proton grows and this cuts past the electron inducing an EMF that opposes the acceleration of the electron. So if we now look at what would happen if an electron accelerates relative to a negatively charged reference frame, the electron now sees the opposite magnetic field expand from the stationary electrons. This reverses the force to one that now assists the acceleration of the electrons. This allows for negative induction, first energy is gained as current increases, but the EMF will also accelerate collapse of the current if it starts to collapse. This would suggest that a slow ramp up of current would experience a voltage gain with a very sudden collapse. I shared this idea for a few years before it turned up here: http://www.oocities.org/nayado/ (now that is a long time ago too) Logically no one has yet found a flaw with this concept. It could however be wrong if SR doesn't hold up, if the electron creates the field because it moves relative to a local reference frame this would not work, but then SR wouldn't work either. So here if either Free Energy of proof of an aether. I'd rather both of course. John On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 3:48 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: > Jones, > > I was just curious about how electrons would behave at ever higher > velocities. The idea came to me one day when I was wondering why two > parallel wires carrying the same DC current attract each other when the > charges flowing through each were electrons. I assumed that positive ions > within each wire balanced out the coulomb repulsion that would normally > occur between electrons that are separated from each other by a fixed > distance. It was fairly easy to derive the incremental attraction of a > tiny section of the wire which I carried to the extreme. The extreme in > that case is a single electron pair. > > It was rewarding to find out that the magnetic attraction exactly matched > the coulomb repulsion at the speed of light. I had no idea that this > result would be demonstrated. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 8:30 pm > Subject: RE: [Vo]:Velocity dependent model of Coulomb's law > > Dave, > > You have "rediscovered" the widely known phenomenon in electrodynamics > which allows for relativistic charged electron or ion beams with minimal > radial containment. Permanent magnets are now being used in some beam > lines, even with 90 degree turns (with trim coils) > > *From:* David Roberson > > Sorry, I realize that my wording was flawed. I mean that the two > particles are moving in parallel at the same velocity. > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: H Veeder > David Roberson wrote: > Once I made a calculation of the attraction between two charged particles > that are moving together at a constant velocity relative to my frame of > reference. I was pleasantly surprised to find that as the velocity of the > two charges approached the speed of light, a perfect balance between the > electric force and the magnetic force was achieved. This implied that > there would be precisely zero electromagnetic force between the two and > hence no acceleration either together or apart at the speed of light. This > matches the special theory of relativity since at light speed the time > dilation reaches infinity for the objects being viewed. > > Since their time was slowed down to zero, they should not be seen as > accelerating towards or away from each other. > > Dave > > >
