The "linear example" you describe below. Harry
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 2:09 AM, John Berry <[email protected]> wrote: > I very much appreciate your saying so Harry! > > You give me faith in humans! > > Which SR experiment are you saying I should illustrate? > > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 3:27 PM, H Veeder <[email protected]> wrote: > >> That is clearer. The thought experiment designed to test GR looks like >> solid paradox to me. So does the thought experiment designed to test SR. >> You should illustrate that as well. >> harry >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:20 PM, John Berry <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Here you go: http://imageshack.com/a/img198/4812/j2s2.png >>> >>> BTW if acceleration doesn't cause time dilation, even though it is a >>> claim of General Relativity that acceleration does this. >>> Then the the second clock would not be time dilated by that means. >>> >>> But the argument would still stand since the path light takes would seem >>> longer. >>> The effect would be diminished. >>> >>> The effects of mutual time dilation SR style between the opposite sides >>> of the rotating frame and all parts of the rotating frame with the lab >>> frame make me choose to ignore that component for now, but any attempt to >>> reconcile this experiment with SR time dilation will be a mess and utterly >>> contradictory as everything should be effected equally and yet >>> paradoxically. >>> >>> If that does not help, then the linear example is: >>> Put sensors on opposite train windows, one clock in the train frame, one >>> on the ground frame. >>> Use an optical or brush contact method to send signals to the ground >>> frame clock. >>> Optionally add a set of earth frame sensors as close to the others >>> making sure they both see the same light at the same time. >>> Light is sent from the earth frame directly across taking the shortest >>> route, but it looks indirect to the train. >>> >>> How can both measure C for the light? >>> Or what if you replace it with an electron at near .999 C, what would be >>> expected? >>> >>> Obviously assume a vacuum is present. >>> >>> Thanks for taking a look, >>> John >>> >>> >>>
