Yes--the control in ideas is worse than it was in the time of Galileo.
However, he was at the front end of a renaissance.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Portland wastes millions of gallons of water for
no reason
Once I thought that science was a beautiful and honest endeavor. The
principles that it embraces appear wondrous when viewed from an idealistic
point of view. Perhaps that ideal is still accurate when one observes the
behavior of individual inventors or small groups that operate without the
impediments of the establishment.
Unfortunately, the expenses associated with modern cutting edge science
research are too massive to be undertaken by any one individual and must
therefore be controlled by a concentrated few. We have failed in selection of
those with the purse strings and perhaps in the entire concept of control.
Often those making the decisions as to where money should be spent are not
capable of performing this task in a manner that they should. Cold fusion
research is a prime example of how sadly misdirected these people can become.
The media seems to reinforce the ignorant decisions that guide most major
research. I guess you can not blame them since their limited knowledge of the
important fields of study forces them to access those in charge of the current
scientific thought when they write articles or generate critics. An individual
research scientist does not have a chance when offering resistance to this type
of overwhelming noise. And the pseudo skeptics add additional retardation to
honest discovery by accusing anyone that does work not accepted by the
mainstream establishment as being frauds.
It is a wonder than any truly new idea ever penetrates the gauntlet within a
reasonable time period. Would we even enjoy the modern world to any extent
were it not for individuals and small independent teams such as the Wright
Brothers? I hope that one day that sort of genuine creative thinking will find
the freedom that it deserves. I doubt that this will occur within my lifetime.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Alain Sepeda <alain.sep...@gmail.com>
To: Vortex List <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 19, 2014 4:20 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Portland wastes millions of gallons of water for
no reason
Any similarity with Fukushima leaks is...
not to be discussed, to avoid flame war.
we should think in banana, or similar concepts, like in Eyjafjoll, in flight
time .
what shock me today is that the corporations who have the data surreder to
the scaremongerers, and either shut up, or collaborate with those
manipulators.. to save their image or even to make money...
the collaboration of the victims of scaremongering with the scaremongerer is
a tragedy of evidence based science.
Not a surprise that cold fusion and it's undeniable and never seriously
challenged evidence are ignored. Evidences have not been an argument in science
since 50 years.
2014-04-19 4:02 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com>:
Daniel Rocha <danieldi...@gmail.com> wrote:
So, it was in the part that is just a reservoir, that is before
processing and distribuition? Heh?
Yes. A large outdoor pond.
That kind of concern is so odd.
It is symptomatic of modern ignorance. People nowadays in the U.S. seem to
know nothing about nature, or bacteria, or the concept of risk factor, or (in
this case) the proportional difference between a ~50 ml of urine and 38 million
gallons of water.
Here is an example of modern ignorance. At a county fair many years ago a
farmer showed a little boy how to milk a cow. The little boy was alarmed and
ran away. Shortly after that, the boy came back with his parents who were
outraged at the farmer. They said he was telling the boy disgusting stories
about where milk came from. It took the farmer a while to calm them down and
show them it is true, and milk really does come from cow udders.
I read that in a newspaper. It could be apocryphal. Even if it is, I have
seen enough real incidents like this to know that people are as ignorant as
that, and as far removed from the facts of life.
- Jed
