In reply to  Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 8 May 2014 19:50:52 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]

Thank you for proving my point that the cathode is an engine. ;)

><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> You do not calculate the energy density of engines. You calculate the
>> energy
>> density of fuels.
>>
>> (Unless as Jed mentioned, you are stuck with the Hydrogen in the cathode,
>> and it
>> is not replaceable - in which case the outlook for CF is far more
>> restricted.)
>>
>
>I do not think that would be a major problem. It is easy to work around it.
>
>First, a well-established fact: The reaction produces helium. Roughly half
>of that comes out of metal, and the other half goes deeper in, and McKubre
>points out. That tells us that some gas does get trapped in the metal, and
>even the dynamic flux of an active cold fusion cell does not drive it out
>automatically. Of course, helium is not hydrogen, but still, it does
>indicate there is trapped gas.
>
>Now for some speculation. Suppose that gas loading, electrolysis and other
>methods all depend on a "trapped supply" of hydrogen in the metal, as I
>suggested. We still know how to drive the hydrogen and helium out, by
>various methods. We may have to turn off the reaction while doing that, and
>then reload the metal and start it up again. That would be a problem if
>entire machine ran with a single metal cathode, or one single discrete
>batch of gas loaded powder. But there is not need to make it that way. If
>the load/deload duty cycles were about equal, that means you need 10
>cathodes to do the work that 5 cathodes could do full time. That is of no
>importance, except that it makes the machine a little less compact than it
>would be otherwise. You would not grouse about it any more than you would
>complain that a 6-cylinder automobile ICE fires only one cylinder at a
>time, so it operates at 1/6 of total capacity.
>
>(Actually some early ICEs and Diesel engines had only one cylinder, but I
>expect they vibrated like the dickens and made a lot of noise.)
>
>Controlling and keeping track of the load/deload cycles would call for
>sophisticated computer controls, but any kind of cold fusion engine will
>need this. It will call for multiple independently sealed cell, rather than
>a single discrete cell. That will make manufacturing a little more
>complicated, but with robotic assembly lines it will hardly affect the
>cost. Nowadays, increased complexity does not increase the cost of
>machinery much, and it does not reduce reliability. That is why hybrid
>automobiles work so well. It is worth the trade-off in complexity, even
>though you end up with a machine that can only be assembled by robots, and
>that can only be operated with computer controls.
>
>- Jed
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

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