From: Stefan Israelsson Tampe
I don't think that hydrinos is behind LENR. It do look like in FP experiment you get a stronger effect if you use deutrium. The Rossi effect looks nothing like FP either, nor does the new Mizuno work. And there are experiments where hydrogen works and deuterium does not work at all (or that is the claim) and a few where both work. When a tank of deuterium was seen in one of Rossi’s early experiments, believe it or not, he said he used D as a quench for the reaction! The best evidence, when you go back to basics, is in the Cravens work, where he started with deuterium, tried hydrogen, and ended up with a mix of the two. That would point to an “exchange reaction” of some kind. But even then, an exchange reaction can lead to fractional hydrogen. There was an earlier thread here on exchange reactions. But also… the Cravens experiment clearly points to there being multiple pathways to gain. There is no “either-or” … most often we see “both” or “all-of-the-above”. So then I would expect that it is a nuclear reaction no? We need to distinguish between “nuclear” and “fusion.” The is little evidence of a fusion reaction in any form of LENR, sorry to say, but yes, the gain is nuclear, in the sense of nuclear mass being converted into energy in some way, which may not have been known prior to 1989. The best evidence is the helium that turns up in PF style reactions, but there are arguments from leading experts that helium is non-existent. Anyway as people have suggested and Mills also acknowledge nuclear reactions can probably be triggered via hydrino formation. He does not presently acknowledge this, but he cannot deny it - since he did publish it in Fusion Technology years ago. On the other hand assuming hydinos exists, the field blurries, is it LENR if you don't find any tritium helium and radiation while using H20. Yes, the field blurs; yes, f/H exists, at least as a transient species; and yes, the gain can be LENR, eve with no tritium, no radiation, no fusion (and/or using H2O as a reactant). That is a minority point of view, but the evidence leans that way. Nuclear mass… being converted into energy in various ways - is a form of LENR not requiring fusion, high energy radiation, beta decay, transmutation. No one has yet provided a valid argument against this Point-of-View. Jones
