I agree with what you said Alain. I think you expressed yourself better than me. Thanks.
Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com [email protected] +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Alain Sepeda <[email protected]> wrote: > > The general reason is that it is much safer to discuss something you > know than to open up to the unknown. > > I don't think it is the greatest cause. As I live in a country build on > massive groupthink and dissenters elimination, I know the Parkinsson > observation you cite. > > however the reason why people focus on punny or endless debate it is > because they are endless, and allow people to make unresolvable battle of > values and ego. > > The debate that are forbidden are those where the conclusion is clear. > > In groupthink people can say "we have tested all" and dissenters can > answer "except what is working". > > On cold fusion I see often that people debate on questionable experiments, > questionable entrepreneurs, but mostly avoid clear evidences that let no > questions. > > Taleb have a principle that what is true does not need many evidences... > Just citing F&P92 and McKubre experiments should close the debate on excess > heat, as those experiments have been under high scrutiny and never > challenged seriously. > Tritium may close the "is it nuclear" with few experiments like BARC and > Texas AM, confirmed by the know fraud/cherry picking of gary taubes whose > theory show the lack of honesty of the whole community of critics, and > their totale absence of arguments despite huge strutiny. > > 2-3 Helium experiments (I let Jed propose the best one) as debated here > are enough in that context to prove by statistics (correlation, not > absolute value, like Higgs - science is above tea kettle arguments and know > how to interpret weak signal since centuries) that Helium participates PdD > LENR. > > > > This explain also why we prefer to discuss on theory than on experiments... > > another bias is that as Peter noticed we start to ignore old evidences > that let no doubt, not because they have lost any value, but because the > have not convinced the one who cannot be convinced... imagining that new > evidence can convince better. > > You cannot wake someone who just pretend to sleep. If 2-3 good experiments > cannot convince someone at least to emit good structured critics, there is > no need to go further. > > > 2014-09-18 20:17 GMT+02:00 Lennart Thornros <[email protected]>: > >> Hi Peter, >> >> I saw your post. I agree that the old proverb prepare for the worst and >> hope for the best is valid. >> It is just that it feels better to approach problems with a positive >> attitude - for me at least. >> I agree about the political side of the issue. I merely wanted to express >> that I am not convinced by any system and definitely do not support any >> popular US party. Yes now and then they express the same opinion. The >> difference is that they have no intention / ability / passion for the >> implementation. It is just pure propaganda. Kleptocracy do rule. >> >> In regards to the habit of take out old already solved problems it is >> part of the group thinking. Parkinson expressed that in his second law ' >> Time devoted to discussions about issues is reversed proportional to the >> importance of the issues'. (The first says that a task takes the time >> allotted to the task). The general reason is that it is much safer to >> discuss something you know than to open up to the unknown. >> >> BTW I liked your statements about the truth. >> >> Best Regards , >> Lennart Thornros >> >> www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com >> [email protected] >> +1 916 436 1899 >> 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 >> >> “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a >> commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM >> >> On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Peter Gluck <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you dear Lennart >>> >>> I have answered in part with my essay of today. >>> We will discuss later the political issues by private posts >>> it's more polite so. >>> Peter >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Lennart Thornros <[email protected] >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, Peter it was a bit depressive. >>>> I am more optimistic than you are. I think the world is self >>>> correcting. Too much of something and there will be a pressure to stop, >>>> which eventually will bring things back toward neutral and beyond for a new >>>> opposite pressure. I have said many times that I believe we have way too >>>> much believe in large organizations and 'fair' limitations. I do not think >>>> ever was meant to be fair and I do not think we need large government to >>>> protect us from each other. ( BTW In reality the protection they offer is >>>> just lip service - combined with a lot of CYA.). >>>> Yes, we give up our individual rights so we will be secure by big >>>> organizations. >>>> No, none owns THE truth. >>>> *Intolerance kills people, tolerance destroys the Society.* You say- >>>> so why not chose tolerance , it is easier than the opposite. Who wants the >>>> totally organized and secure society? >>>> You say, that dumbing down people is a major achievement today. Yes, we >>>> are exchanging common sense with policies, than nobody is responsible but >>>> the policy (which never can be changed just mitigated with three new >>>> policies. I predict a reaction within 50 years where the individual becomes >>>> in the center and LENR is to me an important possibility. >>>> *Kleptocracy is the most natural form of government.** (or is it >>>> theocracy?)* As I am sure you know we get the government we deserve >>>> and it has nothing to do with party politics and not with the type ideology >>>> we are governed by (democracy is as Churchill said - lousy form but we just >>>> have not found any better so far - locking everywhere. I think we will find >>>> one - the born optimist:) >>>> *The world economy- a myriapode with Achilles Heels* maybe I rather >>>> think about it as a dinosaurs with Achilles heels all over the backside. >>>> Yes, LENR needs to accomplish what you said to be accepted. It can be a >>>> financial success first and receive a Nobel prize much later. Rather >>>> normal. >>>> I hope the Rossi report is positive and then the Scots can do as they >>>> want and if Glasgow wants to be a country by itself is also fine. I assume >>>> Scotland will have friendly relations with England and Europe. They can >>>> make a rule that only people wearing kilts can visit or live there. It is >>>> way too cold for me anyhow:) >>>> >>>> Best Regards , >>>> Lennart Thornros >>>> >>>> www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com >>>> [email protected] >>>> +1 916 436 1899 >>>> 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 >>>> >>>> “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a >>>> commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” >>>> PJM >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Peter Gluck <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Brad, >>>>> >>>>> In the context of my paper it is just a wild guess- I have not the >>>>> slightest idea when and where will the Report appear. Till now Rossi has >>>>> alluded to September; >>>>> Today he said on the JONP blog most probably October but... In which >>>>> extent it is positive or negative we will see and evaluate. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Brad Lowe <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Peter, >>>>>> >>>>>> You write: "Tomorrow we will receive the first relevant information >>>>>> regarding the Rossi Report simultaneously with Scotland’s vote for >>>>>> independence" >>>>>> Can you elaborate as to what report information will be released? And >>>>>> as to whether it will be positive or negative? >>>>>> >>>>>> - Brad >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 7:11 AM, Peter Gluck <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Due to poisoning with Paracetamol Sinus Forte periodically I become >>>>>> > depressive. Then it helps to write essays like this one: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/09/lenr-and-troubles-with-21st-century.html >>>>>> > >>>>>> > It is about prediction, LENR is deeply embedded in the context. >>>>>> > However what I say about it, is unfortunately true. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I hope that paradoxically, this writing will stimulate your LENR >>>>>> optimism. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Greetings, >>>>>> > Peter >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > Dr. Peter Gluck >>>>>> > Cluj, Romania >>>>>> > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Peter Gluck >>>>> Cluj, Romania >>>>> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Peter Gluck >>> Cluj, Romania >>> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com >>> >> >> >
