Yes, I am sure it is logical. Not everything that sounds logical is logical. As a matter of fact I think you have to find logic. You cannot teach it. Yes, you can give the theory but that is not what we talk about.
I haven't heard your salt and books idea. Why the salt? Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com [email protected] +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 3:53 PM, John Berry <[email protected]> wrote: > Well I guess the class in logic I was imagining was created by logical > people to help make a logical improvement in logic. > > Of course if it is created by illogical and corrupt people to destroy and > control logic, then I agree. > Overall the best schooling is a brick of salt a a ton of books. > > John. > > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Lennart Thornros <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> John Berry I agree with your conclusion. >> I do not agree with that "Seems like there should be a class in logic >> at school then if it isn't obvious enough." On the contrary that class will >> make logic even more unusual.. >> Maybe that Milton H. Erickson did wrong I do not know the circumstances. >> However, I know that to persuade anyone else you need to engage both halves >> of the brain and somehow a connection between two people's right brain >> really helps to get information over. Yes, it can be misused (like most >> other powers). Sometimes this connection is called trust and it is hard to >> catch. >> Today there is a very slim chance to convince somebody that LENR is real. >> A lot of the trusted say the opposite (most of the academia). >> Not only is the best 'medicine' to let them "bright enough join" on their >> own terms, it is also best for LENR. The table will turn quickly when the >> first generator is available. >> >> Best Regards , >> Lennart Thornros >> >> www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com >> [email protected] >> +1 916 436 1899 >> 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 >> >> “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a >> commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM >> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 2:20 PM, John Berry <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Jed, you sure can write a thoroughly depressing post. >>> >>> On the plus side if the world we have now is the result of a minority of >>> people being logical (jokes about women vastly underestimate the problem) >>> then it does give me hope for how great a society where the vast majority >>> actually grasps logic and truth and holds it above whatever the popular >>> belief might be. >>> >>> But I never had any training in logic, so I assumed it was something >>> that most people naturally had but chose to reject (which we can all do as >>> our right brain often wins out). >>> >>> But I guess that my logic came inbuilt as part of my being an INTJ. >>> >>> INTJ's have the highest IQ of any of the 16 Myers Briggs types, so are >>> perhaps more likely to generate their own logic without any education. >>> Introversion, intuition, thinking and judging sounds like the ingredients >>> to invent logic independently. >>> >>> Seems like there should be a class in logic at school then if it isn't >>> obvious enough. >>> >>> Increasingly emotional arguments, persuasion, conversational hypnosis >>> and psychological pressure are looking like justifiable tools to get the >>> needed agreement. >>> >>> Pioneer hypnotist Dr. Milton H. Erickson once won over a number of >>> Doctors/Professors who had visited him with the intent of disallowing his >>> work in some respect (I forget the details and I can't find a reference, >>> would be in respect to psychology or psychiatry). >>> Of course he used conversational hypnosis to reverse their intention. >>> >>> I would normally have considered it wrong to persuade right thinking >>> people this way, but increasingly I am not sure they are common enough for >>> that moral concern to be valid. >>> >>> If logic can't work, then I am unsure there are any other options, >>> except as you say, going fishing. >>> Let those bright enough join in if they will. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >> >> >
