Peço desculpas, não havia atentado para o detalhe: o governador da Flórida mudou, não é mais o Jeb Bush, irmão do presidente, mas Charlie Crist, o que talvez explique essa mudança de posição.
Chadel A respeito de [VotoEletronico] Re: [VotoEletronico] Re: Flórida abandona urnas eletrônica do tipo brasileiro, em 02/02/2007, 13:28, Roger Chadel escreveu: RC> E olha que ele é irmão do George W. Bush! RC> Chadel RC> A respeito de [VotoEletronico] Re: Flórida abandona urnas eletrônica do tipo brasileiro, RC> em 02/02/2007, 10:44, Paulo Mora de Freitas escreveu: PMdF>> Pessoal, em particular vejam o que diz o atual governador da Florida PMdF>> (republicano) : PMdF>> ?You should, when you go vote, be able to have a record of it, that?s PMdF>> all we?re proposing today. It?s not very complicated; it is in fact PMdF>> common sense. Most importantly, it is the right thing to do.? PMdF>> Mais óbvio do que isso, impossível. Porque essa nossa imprensa marrom PMdF>> não reproduz essa notícia e essa frase, essa nossa imprensa marrom tão PMdF>> habituada a noticiar tudo o que sai nos jornais americanos? Essa nossa PMdF>> imprensa certamente é um WC com filtro... PMdF>> Paulo. PMdF>> Amilcar Brunazo Filho a écrit : >>> Olá, >>> >>> A confusão na apuração dos votos na Flórida em 2000, foi o estopim >>> para a lei federal americana "Ajude a America votar" que estimulou a >>> compra de máquinas de votar eletrônicas pelos Estados. >>> >>> Atualmente 35 estados americanos adotam máquinas de votar que emitem o >>> voto impresso conferido pelo eleitor para viabilizar recontagens. >>> >>> Apenas 15 estados americanos ainda adotavam máquinas de votar que não >>> usam a materialização do voto digital, do mesmo tipo das urnas-e >>> brasileiras, entre eles a Flórida. >>> >>> Mas o governador da Flórida acaba de anunciar que vai abandonar todas >>> as urnas-e sem voto impresso (similares às urnas-e brasileiras) e >>> migrar para máquinas de votar com leitura óptica do voto (do tipo das >>> nossas máquinas de loteria esportiva). >>> >>> O motivo alegado é que ficou comprovado que máquinas de voto puramente >>> digital, como as brasileiras, sempre poderão ser fraudadas em larga >>> escala e a comprovação da fraude pode ser muito difícil. >>> >>> Aqui no Brasil o TSE continua impedindo que sejam feitos testes de >>> penetração para verificar a sua alegada invulnerabilidade. Veja em: >>> http://www.votoseguro.org/textos/penetracao1.htm >>> >>> A notícia sobre a Flórida foi publicada no New York Timee e seu texto >>> está abaixo. >>> >>> [ ]s >>> Eng. Amilcar Brunazo Filho - Santos, SP >>> >>> === >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/02/us/02voting.html?_r=1&oref=slogin >>> >>> February 2, 2007 >>> >>> >>> *Florida Shifting to Voting System With Paper Trail * >>> >>> By ABBY GOODNOUGH >>> <http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?ppds=bylL&v1=ABBY%20GOODNOUGH&fdq=19960101&td=sysdate&sort=newest&ac=ABBY%20GOODNOUGH&inline=nyt-per> >>> >>> >>> and CHRISTOPHER DREW >>> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/d/christopher_drew/index.html?inline=nyt-per> >>> >>> >>> >>> DELRAY BEACH, Fla., Feb. 1 Gov. Charlie Crist announced plans on >>> Thursday to abandon the touch-screen voting machines that many of >>> Florida >>> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/national/usstatesterritoriesandpossessions/florida/index.html?inline=nyt-geo>?s >>> >>> >>> counties installed after the disputed 2000 presidential election. The >>> state will instead adopt a system of casting paper ballots counted by >>> scanning machines in time for the 2008 presidential election. >>> >>> Voting experts said Florida?s move, coupled with new federal voting >>> legislation expected to pass this year, could be the death knell for the >>> paperless electronic touch-screen machines. If as expected the Florida >>> Legislature approves the $32.5 million cost of the change, it would be >>> the nation?s biggest repudiation yet of touch-screen voting, which was >>> widely embraced after the 2000 recount as a state-of-the-art means of >>> restoring confidence that every vote would count. >>> >>> Several counties around the country, including Cuyahoga in Ohio and >>> Sarasota in Florida, are moving toward exchanging touch-screen machines >>> for ones that provide a paper trail. But Florida could become the first >>> state that invested heavily in the recent rush to touch screens to >>> reject them so sweepingly. >>> >>> ?Florida is like a synonym for election problems; it?s the Bermuda >>> Triangle of elections,? said Warren Stewart, policy director of >>> VoteTrust USA, a nonprofit group that says optical scanners are more >>> reliable than touch screens. ?For Florida to be clearly contemplating >>> moving away from touch screens to the greatest extent possible is >>> truly significant.? >>> >>> Other states that rushed to buy the touch-screen machines are also >>> abandoning them. Earlier this week, the Virginia Senate passed a bill >>> that would phase out the machines as they wore out, and replace them >>> with optical scanners. The Maryland legislature also seems determined to >>> order a switch from the paperless touch screens, though it is not clear >>> yet if it will require the use of optical scanners or just allow paper >>> printers to be added to the touch screens. >>> >>> On Monday, Representative Rush D. Holt, Democrat of New Jersey, plans to >>> introduce a bill in Congress that would require all voting machines >>> nationwide to produce paper records through which voters can verify that >>> their ballots were recorded correctly. A majority of House members have >>> endorsed the proposal, and the changes have strong support among Senate >>> Democrats. Mr. Holt?s bill would also substantially toughen the >>> requirements for the touch-screen machines that have printers, and >>> experts say this could give even more impetus to the shift toward the >>> optical scanning systems. >>> >>> Mr. Crist, a Republican >>> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/r/republican_party/index.html?inline=nyt-org>, >>> >>> >>> at times drew whoops and applause when he announced his plan at the >>> South County Civic Center in Palm Beach County, the epicenter of the >>> 2000 election standoff and home of the infamous ?butterfly ballot? that >>> confused many voters. The touch screens had replaced the punch-card >>> systems that caused widespread problems that year. >>> >>> ?You should, when you go vote, be able to have a record of it,? Mr. >>> Crist told a few hundred mostly older citizens at the civic center, in >>> Delray Beach, where many residents said they accidentally voted for >>> Patrick J. Buchanan >>> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/patrick_j_buchanan/index.html?inline=nyt-per> >>> >>> >>> in 2000 instead of Al Gore >>> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/g/al_gore/index.html?inline=nyt-per> >>> >>> >>> because of the confusing ballot design. ?That?s all we?re proposing >>> today. It?s not very complicated; it is in fact common sense. Most >>> importantly, it is the right thing to do.? >>> >>> Mr. Crist?s renunciation of touch-screen voting one month after he >>> replaced Jeb Bush >>> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/jeb_bush/index.html?inline=nyt-per> >>> >>> >>> as governor of the nation?s fourth-most-populous state, suggested that >>> the fight for paper voting records, long a pet project of Democrats, >>> might become more bipartisan. Mr. Crist made the announcement with >>> Representative Robert Wexler, a Democrat from Delray Beach who has >>> ardently led the movement for a paper trail and has attacked Republicans >>> along the way. >>> >>> ?I support this plan 100 percent,? Mr. Wexler said before introducing >>> Mr. Crist. ?This governor means what he says, and he?s coming to >>> Tallahassee and he?s spreading the message throughout Florida that >>> this isn?t about Republican or Democrat, it?s not about this ideology or >>> that; it?s about unifying people and doing what?s right for the people >>> of Florida.? >>> >>> The 15 Florida counties that have adopted touch-screen voting in recent >>> years, including Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach and Hillsborough, would >>> move to optical-scan voting under the proposal before the presidential >>> election of 2008. The plan would give them the option, however, of using >>> touch-screen machines during the state?s two-week early voting period >>> that precedes Election Day, if the machines are modified to provide a >>> paper trail. Those counties represent 54 percent of the state?s >>> registered voters. Broward County alone has bought about 6,000 >>> touch-screen machines in recent years, and Palm Beach County has about >>> 4,500. >>> >>> Mr. Crist said county election supervisors would explore how to make >>> optical-scan voting easier for blind people and for those who speak >>> foreign languages. In some cases, they have been able to vote without >>> assistance on the touch-screen machines. >>> >>> Asked how he felt about discarding tens of millions of dollars worth of >>> touch-screen machines just years after they were acquired, Mr. Crist >>> said, ?The price of freedom is not cheap. The importance of a democratic >>> system of voting that we can trust, that we can have confidence in, is >>> incredibly important.? >>> >>> Election experts estimate that paperless electronic machines were used >>> by about 30 percent of voters nationwide in 2006. But their reliability >>> has increasingly come under scrutiny, as has the difficulty of doing >>> recounts without a paper trail. Federal technology experts concluded >>> late last year that paperless touch-screen machines could not be secured >>> from tampering. >>> >>> Some states had bought early versions of the paperless machines before >>> the 2000 recount, and one of them, New Mexico, switched last year to >>> optical scanners. But most of the machines in other states were >>> purchased with federal money provided under a 2002 law that required >>> states to upgrade from old punch-card and lever systems. >>> >>> New York is planning to buy either screens with printers or optical >>> scanners, New Jersey is adding paper trails to its touch screens and >>> Connecticut is buying the optical scanners. A recent survey by Election >>> Data Services, a Washington consulting firm, estimated that 36 percent >>> of the nation?s counties have bought electronic machines, including some >>> with printers attached, while 56 percent have the optical scan systems. >>> >>> Mr. Holt said his bill would require the return to paper ballots by >>> next year?s presidential primaries, and it would authorize $300 million >>> in federal money to upgrade the machines. Some state and county election >>> officials say it could be difficult to make such sweeping changes by >>> then. >>> >>> But, Mr. Holt said, ?it depends on how badly we want to do it. The >>> public is getting very impatient here.? >>> >>> In Sarasota County last November, more than 18,000 voters who used >>> touch-screen machines did not have their votes recorded in the close >>> Congressional race between Vern Buchanan, the Republican, and Christine >>> Jennings, the Democrat. Mr. Buchanan took office last month after a >>> recount gave him a 369-vote victory, but Ms. Jennings has sued. >>> >>> Former Governor Bush, President Bush?s younger brother, generally >>> defended touch-screen voting during his tenure and said skeptics had >>> fallen prey to ?conspiracy theories.? But leading up to the 2004 >>> presidential election, the Republican Party of Florida sent out fliers >>> urging voters to use absentee ballots because of the absence of a paper >>> trail. >>> >>> Experts say the optical scanners are less expensive than the >>> touch-screen systems. But Kimball W. Brace, the president of Election >>> Data Services, said optical scanning systems had had a slightly higher >>> rate of voter error than touch screens. >>> >>> Abby Goodnough reported from Delray Beach, Fla., and Christopher Drew >>> from New York. >>> __._,_.___ >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> O texto acima e' de inteira e exclusiva responsabilidade de seu >>> autor, conforme identificado no campo "remetente", e nao >>> representa necessariamente o ponto de vista do Forum do Voto-E >>> >>> O Forum do Voto-E visa debater a confibilidade dos sistemas >>> eleitorais informatizados, em especial o brasileiro, e dos >>> sistemas de assinatura digital e infraestrutura de chaves publicas. >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Pagina, Jornal e Forum do Voto Eletronico >>> http://www.votoseguro.org >>> __________________________________________________ -- Grande abraço, Roger Chadel -------- //// O TSE deve voltar a ser um tribunal |---//---| | / | Se a urna não imprimir, seu voto pode sumir! |--------| www.votoseguro.org -------- Extraido de minha coleção de taglines: Mulher é igual circo. 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