Re: where have all the reports gone?

[rderedfield]

I'm going to apologize for Patrick; I don't think his message was conveyed quite the way he intended.  I don't know him at all, and although I can understand your response to his message, I read his message a little differently.    These types of informational forums are challenging.  Just because we all share the same waflyfishers.com service doesn't necessarily mean that we are all obligaged to divulge all of our deepest and darkest secrets to each other (which means our fishing spots and techniques).  Folks want to obtain information as possible from these forums, but it's tough to figure out when there is too much or too little information and participation.   By example, a friend of mine and I took a prominent List person to a prime fishing spot last year, shared with him the techniques required for that spot, species, and time of year, swore him to secrecy, and guess what?  I know of several List  members, with whom he regularly fishes, who now 'just happen' to know the same spot and technique.  This spot can only accommodate 2, maybe 3 persons at one time.  It's a bummer to go to 'your' fishing spot to find it filled with folks who are friends of someone else with whom you 'shared' the spot.   And, as far as posting that type of information on the List, I think it's the rule, rather the exception, that there tends to be a herd effect to certain fishing spots after someone posts a favorable fishing report.  I'm not saying it's bad, it's just the way it is.   Les, Leland, Preston, et al, these are all great people that are generally very willing to help people and provide information, but these guys have also worked hard and put in a lot of time over many years discovering places to fish.  I suspect part of why they are posting is because they are also fishing!  I surely would be hesitant in sharing detailed information with just anyone.  I know Preston is very involved in some of the steelhead forums that are being held.   I believe posting restraint should be exercised by List participants.  If the bite is good in the Yakima canyon, that's great info.  I wouldn't want the person posting the message to cough up exactly where, what rock they were standing on, and how they were holding their mouth when they were catching their fish.  To know the Yak is fishing well, in the afternoon, on BWO and mahogany duns, or that coho or stacked in the Sky, should be enough information to send me off exploring for my own 'secret' honey hole.  Or, to know that the fish in Amber Lake are whacking #8 black buggers on Type 2 lines at sundown, that should be enough.   Part of the challenge and fun of fishing is discovering 'new' places, your own secret spot, or locations that haven't or aren't being fished heavily.  I noticed there are a lot of inquiries on how, what, and where to fish, but those same folks don't provide a report on if the information they obtained from the List did or didn't help.  I think the kind of generic feedback would be very useful to most of the List members.   if I knew the answer ot your questions (never fished on the Snoqualmie for trout), I'd share it with you.  I'd call Creekside over in Issaquah; that water is in their backyard, and they seem to usually have a pretty good handle on it.   I don't believe Patrick's response was directed necessarily at you.  I read into his posting that his comments have been building for some time, and for some reason, your question brought it out.   Richard Embry      ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Sall To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'waflyfishers' Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:26 AM Subject: RE: where have all the reports gone? Well excuse me Mr. Petersen, I must have signed up for the wrong site. You're right there probably should be a Prima Donna site and a beginners site. Once us "beginners" get this figured out we could again break off and start our own site so we don't get tired of sharing our knowledge with the great unwashed. I hope I don't appear illiterate.   Sincerely,   Wayne Sall   -----Original Message----- From: PATRICK PETERSEN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 12:00 AM To: waflyfishers Subject: where have all the reports gone? I have noticed over the last year that the reports have become fewer and fewer on the waflyfishers list. Is this due to so many new members asking basic questions on where and what? I personally have contributed a weekly report discussing tactics and locations but have noticed the senior members contributing virtually nothing except for clarification on the regs. I have seen the sport grow in the last ten years to record numbers. That said, perhaps it is possible that many members are tired of seeing the crowds in their favorite fishing holes, myself included. Perhaps waflyfishers could offer a second list to the beginners so not to be bombarded the list with the same old questions and to entice more information from those grungy old fly fishers. I miss seeing the posts of the likes of Leland, Preston, Les J, and others who have fished for years. Fly fishing is so diverse in its methods and fish to fish for and I enjoy reading about most of it including&nbs! ! ! p; the Yakima even though  I never fish there, but lets try not to become just another fishing list, with the same beginner questions over and over. If beginners want to read some information on Washington fly fishing, try the archives. Also, try using your spell check so you do not look like you are illiterate. --- PATRICK PETERSEN --- [EMAIL PROTECTED]