Roger's not the only one who noticed Jim's use of the term 'flymphs' in his earlier post. Dave Hughes refers to them as 'wingless wets' in his monumental book 'Trout Flies - The Tier's Reference' and attributes the name to the late Pete Hidy who described them as an emerging stage of many insect forms ". . . when they're not yet flies but no longer nymphs."

What patterns work best in these parts? How are they fished?

Kent Lufkin



On Jan 31, 2004, at 7:29 AM, ffishnfly chatterton wrote:

<x-tad-bigger>Ok, I am going to have to plead ignorance here and ask the question as to what is a "flymph".�It sounds like something which might�be uttered by a politician.� �By the way, I fish any fly whatever way it catches fish, regardless of how that fly is classified.</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>�</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>Thanks,</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>�</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>Roger</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>----- Original Message -----</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>From:</x-tad-bigger><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad-bigger><x-tad-bigger>Jim Jones</x-tad-bigger><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>To:</x-tad-bigger><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad-bigger><x-tad-bigger>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</x-tad-bigger><x-tad-bigger> </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>Sent:</x-tad-bigger><x-tad-bigger>Friday, January 30, 2004 2:10 PM</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>Subject:</x-tad-bigger><x-tad-bigger>Re: Wet flies (was new hook)</x-tad-bigger>

<x-tad-bigger>I don't think it's a east coast thing.</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>When you include nymphs, I think wet flies probably account</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>for the vast majority of fish caught in the west.� Of course</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>it depends a lot on the water.� I have never done any good</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>below the surface on Silver Creek.� But on the Deschutes (OR)</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>nymphs, streamers, soft hackles and flymphs produce day in and</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>day out.� If you only fished drys, you would have lots of bad</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>days.</x-tad-bigger>

<x-tad-bigger>I love to swing a soft hackle or a flymph with a down and</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>across cast or even a dead drift in a current seam.� When it's </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>productive, I probably enjoy it as much as dry fly fishing.</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>For the March Brown hatch, I normally fish a pair of 14 flymphs</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>well into the hatch.� The adults really have to be coming off</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>in bunches and the fish have to go crazy before I shift to a</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>dry fly.� I feel I catch bigger fish that way.</x-tad-bigger>

<x-tad-bigger>Over the years I have drifted away from the traditional soft</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>hackles.� I usually fish much smaller (16's and 18's or smaller)</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>unless I am fishing a specific hatch...like March Browns.� That's</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>probably because I fish a lot of water where the BWO's are important.</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>I have also gone more toward the flymph.� This year I am going to</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>make a point of fishing some of the traditional soft hackles.</x-tad-bigger>

<x-tad-bigger>Great thread BTW.� I've really enjoyed it.</x-tad-bigger>

<x-tad-bigger>Jim Jones</x-tad-bigger>

<x-tad-bigger>Mark Steudel wrote:</x-tad-bigger>

<x-tad-bigger>> Great story! Thanks for sharing Leland.</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>> </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>> When I see trout posts on fly fishing boards, I don't hear very much</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>> about people catching trout on wet fly's. Streamers, nymphs, dry's ...</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>> When I'm reading books, a lot of the authors the write from the east</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>> coast talk a lot more about wet flies. Are swinging wet flies for trout</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>> more of a east coast thing than a west coast thing? Just curiuos.</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>> </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>> Mark</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>> </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>> On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 20:32, Leland Miyawaki wrote:</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>> </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>>I was waiting my turn to go through the hole when I heard a voice </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>>behind me, "You're not going to fish that thing are you?" He was </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>>pointing at my huge black Brooks stone dangling at the end of my big </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>>fat leader. "It seems to be what's working today," I answered. "Why </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>>don't you try one of these," he said as he held out a handful of </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>>small soft hackles.</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>></x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>>"Wow!, They look like some low water steelhead flies I've been tying."</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>></x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>>"Pretty much, they're called soft hackle flies. I just wrote a book </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>>on them called, The Soft Hackle Fly, maybe you've seen it. My name is</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>>Syl Nemes. They're much more elegant than those chuck 'n duck things."</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>></x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>>He told me to put on my floating line, quarter cast downstream, make </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>>a small upstream mend, let it swing across under tension, with maybe </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>>a little downstream mend at the end or even a Leisinring Lift, if you </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>>like. To me it was like grease-lining low water steelhead flies. </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>>Anyway, on my second pass through the hole, I stuck a big brown just </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>>as the fly straightened below me. Syl got a big laugh when the trout </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>>splashed the chuck and ducker fishing below me.</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>></x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>>>Leland.</x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>> </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>> </x-tad-bigger>
<x-tad-bigger>> </x-tad-bigger>


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